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Study of Light https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=13947.msg176163#msg176163
« on: October 14, 2010, 01:38:04 pm »
Study of Light in Elements.
A comprehensive guide towards holistic deckbuilding and strategy.

I love how it sounds. Strategy strategy strategy. Strategy? Strategy!.




All info stated here is known stuff. I just arranged it so we could have a comfortable macro view of what's going on with each element.

Then we develop something to neutralize possible threats. And when the threat is diluted, we add damage.
Then we balance quanta, and voilá. Winner deck.
(now, I wish it was that easy... I doubt everyone goes mono.. so we need to have some sort of reference to compensate what we don't know about our enemy decks)


Strengths and weaknesses per element
ElementCaptainCCPCQCHCHealStallGrowthSpawnBuffsPoisonOther
:aether Aether        Icecoldbro:time :darkness :darkness :darkness :darkness :fire :darkness :time * :darkness :darkness Mindgate.
:air Air                     Pervepic:fire :darkness :darkness :darkness :darkness :time :darkness :time :darkness :darkness Dive, wings, flying weapons.
:darkness DarknessKael Hate :time :time :time :time :fire :time :darkness :darkness :time :darkness Voodoo doll, possible Liquid lobotomies.
:death Death           MrBlonde :fire :darkness :darkness :darkness :darkness :time :time :time :darkness :fire Afla lockdown :| ... speed poison.
:earth Earth             Terroking:time :time :time :darkness :time :darkness :darkness :darkness :time :darkness Mind the cheap graboids.
:entropy Entropy      Zeru :fire :time :time :darkness :time :time :darkness :darkness :time :darkness Antimatter, pandemoniums, mutations.
:fire Fire                    Kevkev60614 :fire :time :darkness :darkness :darkness :darkness :fire :darkness :time :darkness  Immolations :|
:gravity Gravity         GirlsGeneration :time :darkness :time :darkness :time :fire :time :darkness :time :darkness Oty / Armagio+titan+chimera=brand new combo. Beware.
:life Life                     Killsdazombies:time * :darkness :darkness :darkness :fire :darkness :fire :darkness :time :time Fast guys. Adren, cheap creatures and now poison. But this could be good.
:light Light                xdude:time:darkness:darkness:darkness:fire :darkness:darkness:darkness:time :darkness We're awesome.
:time Time                 Xinef:time:darkness :darkness :time :darkness :fire :darkness :time :darkness:timeMultiple draws, neurotoxin (oh shhh...) And Dragoon fought with xdude in war 1
:water Water            Essence:fire:time *:darkness :darkness :darkness :fire :time:darkness:darkness:fire Only counter for poison  in the game...Did I mention Nymph's tears?
reference 
:darkness no.:time yes.:fireobscenely yes.
Light monos.
I'll let xdude and implosion summarize this item as they're more experienced.

Light Duos. ¿whay exactly is synergy?
So, i've read plenty of time stuff like "well yea you know, X has a great synergy with Y because ~~~" or "dude are you nuts?' you can't mix X and Y, you better try this other mainstream deck because~~~~~"

If you say "Light has no synergy with *insert element here*" you're subconsciously bounded by that deck review that cool guy wrote once.
To fight creatively, you need to free yourself from those boundaries. And what good will creativity do in a CCG game war, you might say? Because you can hardly counter what takes you by surprise.


Let's take chess by example, the best players always anticipate every opponent move, and their own moves. World champions usually have a panorama of how the board could be in 20 turns in advance, with every move possibility of any piece.
Following that train of thought, i'd expect the following from war generals and its respective strategists.



Expected VS... HOLY COW!!! (Updated whenever any of you finds a good deck)
Light +SomethingPredictable and not that goodPredictable but kickassWhat on earth just happened here
:lightbig:aetherbigpegasi+PU
RoL+Hope+fractal. Slow but good.
stall+lobo+light dragons. Bolts for CC
:lightbig:airbig?pegasi, dive, wings, flying stars
ffq+hope+EE
flying EEs and 3 miracles, wings, angels to heal EEs.
:lightbig:darknessbig?blessed vampsxdude knows one
another one: vampire light dragon+angels
to heal them (need help with this one!)
:lightbig:deathbig?our fire counterworking on it
:lightbig:earthbig?stone skin+miracleblessed antlions+ early earthquake=stupid fast
:lightbig:entropybig?antimattering things...flying stars + PANDEMONIUM! take that!
:lightbig:firebigdivinegloryish deckenraged angelsimmolations, phoenixes, quick start
:lightbig:gravitybig?armagio+angels
blessed otyugh
blessing used offensively (lol gravity shield)
:lightbig:lifebig?rustler powa!
blessed+adren'd scorps
obnoxious amount of healing
RoL+jade dragon, i've seen it somewhere...
:lightbig:lightbigu nuts?win
:lightbig:timebig?luciferined blessed dejavusour secret weapon (?)
:lightbig:waterbig?poison stallblessed squids! (paralyzed field)
or toadfishes.
:lightbig anything slow?blessed scarabs+cc
We'll probably need more of these

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Re: Study of Light https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=13947.msg176319#msg176319
« Reply #1 on: October 14, 2010, 05:33:34 pm »
Nice strategic work, Mr. Strategist.


Couple of stuff: are you trying to say Earth has no Quanta Control? Because that's soo wrong. Also, seems like we're statistically the worst element. There has to be something wrong with that. *fires the strategist*
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Re: Study of Light https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=13947.msg176489#msg176489
« Reply #2 on: October 14, 2010, 10:39:28 pm »
xD brutal honesty
Fixed the EQ thingy, and updated. Please post what you think of it so far, let's work together as one.
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Re: Study of Light https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=13947.msg176746#msg176746
« Reply #3 on: October 15, 2010, 04:28:22 am »
First, epic drawing is epic.

Quick word on mono - :light, and a few other strategic notes.

Mono :light is powerful primarily because of a certain synergy: that between pegasus and blessing. It's the staple of (most) mono :light decks. Blessing not only protects the pegasus by increasing its hit points, but it essentially does 6 damage per turn for 3 quanta. Miracle is also an immensely important card, as it prevents... y'know... dying :). It's also quite satisfying to play a miracle when your opponent thinks they're about to win. However - mono :light is probably not going to have a particularly large part in our strategy (so I would predict) because :light cards will be in short supply. Besides, :light is (generally) better in duos.

Another thing to add if you feel like it would be an in-depth analysis of :light as an element - its cards, its strategies, its strengths, and its lack of weaknesses. A couple of the more important ones just to start it off (feel free to edit these in, alter them, write your own, or not do this at all):

Miracle is probably :light's most feared weapon. They were in very short supply last war, and we fought over them to have them in our decks. 3-4 miracles was the norm for most decks when we could. This war, we should try to construct some decks that use it and some more rush-based decks that don't rely on it. They expect us to use it, but :light has a LOT of options. Now that we don't have to waste vault cards on :light pillars, we can pack more pegasi and dragons for :light-based rushes. We can also pack attackers from other elements, and splash :light into those decks as needed.

Light dragon is a very versatile dragon. While :fire's dragon has only 3 hit points and :gravity's only has 7 attack, :light's is the most balanced in the game. Because of this, it can combo with many other cards. A few examples of this would be liquid shadow, twin universe, rage potion, etc. Now sure, :gravity might be all high and mighty with its shield, or :earth might be all high and mighty with their quanta denial. But that's when we use their own tactics against them, using momentum or protect artifact. Although the dragon is somewhat unsplashable due to high cost, it can be an effective staple of many of our more stall-oriented decks.

etc etc.

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Re: Study of Light https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=13947.msg176811#msg176811
« Reply #4 on: October 15, 2010, 06:48:43 am »
So, hat exactly do you want me to tell you about Light monos? Something along the lines of what Imp said?
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Re: Study of Light https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=13947.msg176924#msg176924
« Reply #5 on: October 15, 2010, 01:33:45 pm »
So, hat exactly do you want me to tell you about Light monos? Something along the lines of what Imp said?
Whatever you feel like adding about mono  :light ... or about pretty much anything you feel it's important.

ex:
►Any word of advice from the previous war?
Xinef has an ex-light warrior, what should we do, use the old counter concepts, or develop another thing that shuts  :time down?
►Anyone can view our counter decks (war 1), can the thread be edited? // OR we leave it as is to fool the enemy?
►We can browse counters for  :light from every element (war 1), should I be taking notes about what to expect? yes i should


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Re: Study of Light https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=13947.msg177129#msg177129
« Reply #6 on: October 15, 2010, 07:58:49 pm »
Deck notes looking good. A couple things off the top of my head:

One :light / :time deck that I used last war (it failed due to a haxx dusk mantle) is blessed dejas + hope. With some tweaking it could do well, plus it could benefit from pendulums, which were unavailable before.

Also, twin universe + pegasus CAN work - see my fg killer deck from phase 1 of trials. It's just been nerfed, and you have to be careful to only use dive if you can PU on the same turn.

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Re: Study of Light https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=13947.msg177772#msg177772
« Reply #7 on: October 16, 2010, 06:09:17 pm »
Even if we can edit the old threads, I suggest not to. It'll be too obvious.

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Re: Study of Light https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=13947.msg177950#msg177950
« Reply #8 on: October 16, 2010, 10:07:43 pm »
Yes better not to, im quite sure it ill be seen as ruining/destroying archives.
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Re: Study of Light https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=13947.msg178142#msg178142
« Reply #9 on: October 17, 2010, 07:55:16 am »
Yes better not to, im quite sure it ill be seen as ruining/destroying archives.
Not to mention we can't modify them anyways.
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Re: Study of Light https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=13947.msg178241#msg178241
« Reply #10 on: October 17, 2010, 12:55:12 pm »
Nevermind then  :) i'll be updating that table this morning ^
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Re: Study of Light https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=13947.msg178310#msg178310
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