Phase 4 - Final Battle EARTH (Trials 2)

[ddevans96]

Ah... My fault yet again, guess I simply can't avoid a major screw-up on these kind of events.

However, the final deck did have unupgraded cards, I simply forgot to put them in when re-constructing the deck via trainer (It's just my staple Shrieker Rush, so I've made it hundreds of times).

The Wings on was just a total failure though.

Belth, if you want to replay that match, we can try to organize something maybe?

Yeah, it didn't make sense because you know you had a 21 card limit and the deck showed every card upped. I myself believe you about the shrieker rush deck, although I'm not sure about anyone else.

My idea is to count it as 3-1 to Terro (counting the Wings deck as a loss and the shrieker game as nothing due to the mix-up) and finish the match from from there. However, I'm not sure how fair this would be.

[Scaredgirl]

Terro, in games 2 and 5 your decks are showing more than 21 upgraded cards... Is that how it's supposed to be?

I'd also like to hear an explanation to this. If Terroking used an illegal deck(s), the Trial of is not yet over.

Ah... My fault yet again, guess I simply can't avoid a major screw-up on these kind of events.

However, the final deck did have unupgraded cards, I simply forgot to put them in when re-constructing the deck via trainer (It's just my staple Shrieker Rush, so I've made it hundreds of times).

The Wings on was just a total failure though.

Belth, if you want to replay that match, we can try to organize something maybe?

The problem now is that we have no idea what deck you used during that final match. You said yourself that you reconstructed that deck later in a Trainer, so basically you could have have had anything. 10 upped cards, 21 upped cards, 22 upped cards, 30 upped cards.. If you make that mistake once during Final Battle, it's not that unlikely that you make it again.

I'd like to hear Belthazar666's side of things on the last match. So Belthazar666, do you remember Terroking playing any unupped cards during that last match? For example do you remember two stacks of Pillars/Towers?

Also, Belthazar666's doesn't have to make a decision whether or not he wants to replay that match. Rules state that if you use an illegal deck, you auto-lose that match. This is mind, the Final Battle is not over yet. The only question now is whether we continue from 4-1, 3-2 or 3-1.

[xdude]

Terro, in games 2 and 5 your decks are showing more than 21 upgraded cards... Is that how it's supposed to be?

I'd also like to hear an explanation to this. If Terroking used an illegal deck(s), the Trial of is not yet over.

Ah... My fault yet again, guess I simply can't avoid a major screw-up on these kind of events.

However, the final deck did have unupgraded cards, I simply forgot to put them in when re-constructing the deck via trainer (It's just my staple Shrieker Rush, so I've made it hundreds of times).

The Wings on was just a total failure though.

Belth, if you want to replay that match, we can try to organize something maybe?

The problem now is that we have no idea what deck you used during that final match. You said yourself that you reconstructed that deck later in a Trainer, so basically you could have have had anything. 10 upped cards, 21 upped cards, 22 upped cards, 30 upped cards.. If you make that mistake once during Final Battle, it's not that unlikely that you make it again.

I'd like to hear Belthazar666's side of things on the last match. So Belthazar666, do you remember Terroking playing any unupped cards during that last match? For example do you remember two stacks of Pillars/Towers?

Also, Belthazar666's doesn't have to make a decision whether or not he wants to replay that match. Rules state that if you use an illegal deck, you auto-lose that match. This is mind, the Final Battle is not over yet. The only question now is whether we continue from 4-1, 3-2 or 3-1.

We all know how sucky spectate is, but I haven't seen any unupped cards in the Trainer. However, that might be because:

1. I watched Water and Earth Trials at the same time.
2. Spectate sucked.

So don't make the call based on this and this alone.

[Zeru]

We all know how sucky spectate is, but I haven't seen any unupped cards in the Trainer. However, that might be because:

1. I watched Water and Earth Trials at the same time.
2. Spectate sucked.

So don't make the call based on this and this alone.

3) He didn't draw any. It was a rush deck after all.

[Terroking]

Terro, in games 2 and 5 your decks are showing more than 21 upgraded cards... Is that how it's supposed to be?

I'd also like to hear an explanation to this. If Terroking used an illegal deck(s), the Trial of is not yet over.

Ah... My fault yet again, guess I simply can't avoid a major screw-up on these kind of events.

However, the final deck did have unupgraded cards, I simply forgot to put them in when re-constructing the deck via trainer (It's just my staple Shrieker Rush, so I've made it hundreds of times).

The Wings on was just a total failure though.

Belth, if you want to replay that match, we can try to organize something maybe?

The problem now is that we have no idea what deck you used during that final match. You said yourself that you reconstructed that deck later in a Trainer, so basically you could have have had anything. 10 upped cards, 21 upped cards, 22 upped cards, 30 upped cards.. If you make that mistake once during Final Battle, it's not that unlikely that you make it again.

I'd like to hear Belthazar666's side of things on the last match. So Belthazar666, do you remember Terroking playing any unupped cards during that last match? For example do you remember two stacks of Pillars/Towers?

Also, Belthazar666's doesn't have to make a decision whether or not he wants to replay that match. Rules state that if you use an illegal deck, you auto-lose that match. This is mind, the Final Battle is not over yet. The only question now is whether we continue from 4-1, 3-2 or 3-1.

SG, the fact is that the last deck was legal when I played it, I merely made a mistake when posting it on the forums. I reconstructed all those decks in the Trainer to post them here, as they're all fairly basic and very easy to remember. And you seem to think that the rules can force Belth to play, which they cannot, plain and simple. It's his choice in the matter, don't try to take control of that.

We all know how sucky spectate is, but I haven't seen any unupped cards in the Trainer. However, that might be because:

1. I watched Water and Earth Trials at the same time.
2. Spectate sucked.

So don't make the call based on this and this alone.

3) He didn't draw any. It was a rush deck after all.

I think #3 is actually what happened, although one or two Towers might not have been, not quite sure on that account. It's not too unlikely either, since the majority of each card is upped (Aside from Graboids) and it was an extremely fact win, probably 4 or at least definitely 5 turns. (And I won the coin toss)

[Scaredgirl]

Terro, in games 2 and 5 your decks are showing more than 21 upgraded cards... Is that how it's supposed to be?

I'd also like to hear an explanation to this. If Terroking used an illegal deck(s), the Trial of is not yet over.

Ah... My fault yet again, guess I simply can't avoid a major screw-up on these kind of events.

However, the final deck did have unupgraded cards, I simply forgot to put them in when re-constructing the deck via trainer (It's just my staple Shrieker Rush, so I've made it hundreds of times).

The Wings on was just a total failure though.

Belth, if you want to replay that match, we can try to organize something maybe?

The problem now is that we have no idea what deck you used during that final match. You said yourself that you reconstructed that deck later in a Trainer, so basically you could have have had anything. 10 upped cards, 21 upped cards, 22 upped cards, 30 upped cards.. If you make that mistake once during Final Battle, it's not that unlikely that you make it again.

I'd like to hear Belthazar666's side of things on the last match. So Belthazar666, do you remember Terroking playing any unupped cards during that last match? For example do you remember two stacks of Pillars/Towers?

Also, Belthazar666's doesn't have to make a decision whether or not he wants to replay that match. Rules state that if you use an illegal deck, you auto-lose that match. This is mind, the Final Battle is not over yet. The only question now is whether we continue from 4-1, 3-2 or 3-1.

SG, the fact is that the last deck was legal when I played it, I merely made a mistake when posting it on the forums. I reconstructed all those decks in the Trainer to post them here, as they're all fairly basic and very easy to remember. And you seem to think that the rules can force Belth to play, which they cannot, plain and simple. It's his choice in the matter, don't try to take control of that.

You are missing the point. It's the organizers that do have 100% control over events, and they do make the final decision in situations like this, not the players.

The way you made it sound was like you had already won, but because you are so noble, you are willing to redo the match if Belthazar666 "wants" that. That's not the case here because you used at least one illegal deck, and we have clear rules for that situation. Belthazar666 can of course forfeit, but that doesn't make the score 5-0, and I don't think he should forfeit, seeing that he might have gotten beat because of illegal deck(s).

I guess the point I'm trying to make is that Belthazar666 won't be a "sore loser" even if the Final Battle continues because he did nothing wrong here.


Right now it looks like Terroking will take an auto-loss because of the illegal deck, and the last match will be fought again because it is not clear whether or not your deck was legal. If we get any further evidence, the last ruling might change.

These situations are always unfortunate, especially now because this could potentially postpone the War event. However, we need to be fair, and rules are clear.

Free tip to anyone who wants to avoid this: follow the rules and don't build illegal decks. It's very simple.

[killsdazombies]

terroking, you fail at counting... :p
im putting that as 2 for war, 2 for trials? which is 4 :p

[GG]

Oh so this is what kdz talked about terro failing at counting.... shame, shame.

so, seems like the trials will restart with 2-0, i guess?

[miniwally]

Oh so this is what kdz talked about terro failing at counting.... shame, shame.

so, seems like the trials will restart with 2-0, i guess?

I think they're going for a 3-2 (to Terroking).

[Terroking]

Terro, in games 2 and 5 your decks are showing more than 21 upgraded cards... Is that how it's supposed to be?

I'd also like to hear an explanation to this. If Terroking used an illegal deck(s), the Trial of is not yet over.

Ah... My fault yet again, guess I simply can't avoid a major screw-up on these kind of events.

However, the final deck did have unupgraded cards, I simply forgot to put them in when re-constructing the deck via trainer (It's just my staple Shrieker Rush, so I've made it hundreds of times).

The Wings on was just a total failure though.

Belth, if you want to replay that match, we can try to organize something maybe?

The problem now is that we have no idea what deck you used during that final match. You said yourself that you reconstructed that deck later in a Trainer, so basically you could have have had anything. 10 upped cards, 21 upped cards, 22 upped cards, 30 upped cards.. If you make that mistake once during Final Battle, it's not that unlikely that you make it again.

I'd like to hear Belthazar666's side of things on the last match. So Belthazar666, do you remember Terroking playing any unupped cards during that last match? For example do you remember two stacks of Pillars/Towers?

Also, Belthazar666's doesn't have to make a decision whether or not he wants to replay that match. Rules state that if you use an illegal deck, you auto-lose that match. This is mind, the Final Battle is not over yet. The only question now is whether we continue from 4-1, 3-2 or 3-1.

SG, the fact is that the last deck was legal when I played it, I merely made a mistake when posting it on the forums. I reconstructed all those decks in the Trainer to post them here, as they're all fairly basic and very easy to remember. And you seem to think that the rules can force Belth to play, which they cannot, plain and simple. It's his choice in the matter, don't try to take control of that.

You are missing the point. It's the organizers that do have 100% control over events, and they do make the final decision in situations like this, not the players.

The way you made it sound was like you had already won, but because you are so noble, you are willing to redo the match if Belthazar666 "wants" that. That's not the case here because you used at least one illegal deck, and we have clear rules for that situation. Belthazar666 can of course forfeit, but that doesn't make the score 5-0, and I don't think he should forfeit, seeing that he might have gotten beat because of illegal deck(s).

I guess the point I'm trying to make is that Belthazar666 won't be a "sore loser" even if the Final Battle continues because he did nothing wrong here.


Right now it looks like Terroking will take an auto-loss because of the illegal deck, and the last match will be fought again because it is not clear whether or not your deck was legal. If we get any further evidence, the last ruling might change.

These situations are always unfortunate, especially now because this could potentially postpone the War event. However, we need to be fair, and rules are clear.

Free tip to anyone who wants to avoid this: follow the rules and don't build illegal decks. It's very simple.

I do realize that organizers choose whether or not people participate in events and how they are run, but first and foremost, it's the players' decision. What I've been saying by this is that he can forfeit,and you really can't force someone to play. If Belth decides to continue, I agree he will not be a sore loser, but he has not yet made any response to the issues in this topic and there is a limit to how long you can wait for a person.

And if you think that those 2 upgraded cards mattered in my Wings deck, then wow. The only things I ended up playing were Towers and then Shrieker-Shrieker-Dragon-Dragon. Then it ended a turn after that due to his Dagger.

And if you're saying it's not clear just because I put the wrong deck here on the forums, then you might as well say that all of my decks were unclear, because I re-constructed them afterward. You could say everyone's decks were unclear. Besides, this kind of thing has happened before, and it was never counted as an illegal deck.

To be frank, SG, since there's an ok chance you'll deny this or mount some huge counterattack, I know you do not like me and my "lack" of punctuality (At least, I think it was that. I would be rather sad if it didn't work on anyone) and my constant errors. However, these things happen for the same reason that red and blue make purple; It's just the way things are.

[Scaredgirl]

And if you think that those 2 upgraded cards mattered in my Wings deck, then wow. The only things I ended up playing were Towers and then Shrieker-Shrieker-Dragon-Dragon. Then it ended a turn after that due to his Dagger.

And if you're saying it's not clear just because I put the wrong deck here on the forums, then you might as well say that all of my decks were unclear, because I re-constructed them afterward. You could say everyone's decks were unclear. Besides, this kind of thing has happened before, and it was never counted as an illegal deck.

The way these things work is that if you use an illegal deck, you will auto-lose. Period. We won't launch a separate investigation every time someone doesn't know how to count, and try to determine whether or not the illegal deck "mattered".

Besides, this kind of thing has happened before, and it was never counted as an illegal deck.

Do you have an example of this? I'd like to see it, because unless I was drunk at the time, it wasn't me who made that call, and it most definitely wasn't the Final Battle of Trials.

If you think that I would have let this thing slide if the error was made by someone else, then you don't know me. I take following rules very seriously, both in life, and on these forums.

To be frank, SG, since there's an ok chance you'll deny this or mount some huge counterattack, I know you do not like me and my "lack" of punctuality (At least, I think it was that. I would be rather sad if it didn't work on anyone) and my constant errors. However, these things happen for the same reason that red and blue make purple; It's just the way things are.

Interesting. I'm not quite what you are talking about here. As far as I know, the only "confrontation" I have had with you was when I replaced you as a Tournament Organizer, and that was simply because you didn't do your job. Everyone could saw that, and later you yourself even admitted it. There was no bad blood what so ever involved in that decision. I needed someone dependable to organize tournaments so that I wouldn't have to organize them myself, and you were not that someone because you didn't organize tournaments, and when you did, you quit the tournament half-way. It was a simple business decision for me, nothing more. If you take me replacing you as me hating your guts, then I guess you haven't worked in human resources.

All this of course has nothing to do with the issue at hand so lets get back on topic.

The bottom line is that we are in this situation because you made an error. Blaming others for that or suggesting that I'm out to get you, is.. well, embarrassing. I think the best for you is to stop coming up with excuses, take full responsibility for not double-checking your decks, and redo those matches.

[MrBlonde]

It's just like in War. You make a mistake, whether it helped you or not, you get penalized. got penalized when we had an illegal deck even when we lost that matchup (so obviously the illegal cards did not help us).