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Re: Decks and Marks: Same or Separate? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=11649.msg143360#msg143360
« Reply #12 on: August 21, 2010, 02:30:22 pm »
And no, App, it would be mono-earth. A shrieker rush is mono-earth. If you put time cards into your deck, then it becomes an earth/time deck.

Exactly. If time mark is your mark, and mark counts towards your deck, it would be earth-time.


But it is mono-earth, which means the mark isn't part of the deck.
Not everyone wanted that definition.  SG dictated it instead of an even worse one.

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Re: Decks and Marks: Same or Separate? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=11649.msg143410#msg143410
« Reply #13 on: August 21, 2010, 03:36:23 pm »
This is all semantics.

When people refer to "deck", they usually mean deck + mark. It's just easier that way. Having to say "go change your deck and mark" would be ridiculous. Marks are a big part of deckbuilding so it's natural to assume that when you are prohibited to change your deck, mark is included in that.


Then there is this group of people who don't like the mono-deck definition. First of all it's a definition used only in forum structure and forum events. It means nothing inside the actual game, and in the privacy of your own home you can define mono-deck however you want.

The reason mark has no affect in whether or not the deck is a mono, is because if mark did have an affect, some of the cards would be unusable because they would have abilities that you cannot pay for. For example if you do a mono- :water , you can't use Rustler or Forest Spirit.

Think about it. You build a deck using only one element, but you cannot even use all the cards in that element. Not only would it be boring, but it would also put elements like :water in a huge disadvantage because they use more outside elements.

I think most people who complain about deck definitions either..

A) Haven't actually taken all things into consideration (first complain, then think)
B) Don't have any better ideas

Or both.

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Re: Decks and Marks: Same or Separate? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=11649.msg143424#msg143424
« Reply #14 on: August 21, 2010, 03:57:53 pm »
Before the existence of pendulums, cards like steam machine were still totally useless in a mono deck.  Even now nova/black hole and other cards are near useless in a mono format.  Such things as abilities can also be zanz's way of making dual cost cards.  If dual cost cards existed would you insist they be usable in a mono?!  Balance in events with special rules has NOTHING to do with a proper definition.  That reasoning is frankly, ridiculous.  Things aren't balanced terribly well in any definition.

I do have a better definition.  Quanta produced deliberately.  In the game mechanics, quanta available to use is far more important than what a card looks like.

 

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