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Shard | Shard of Restraint https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=11119.msg136812#msg136812
« on: August 12, 2010, 05:02:21 pm »
NAME:
Shard
ELEMENT:
Other
COST:
1
TYPE:
Spell
ATK|HP:
ABILITY:
It looks like a crystal shard.  It seems to be useless, but it might be upgradable.
NAME:
Shard of Restraint
ELEMENT:
Other
COST:
3
TYPE:
Spell
ATK|HP:
ABILITY:
The target creature's attack is now 0.
ART:
Shard #5 from here. (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,11099.0.html)
IDEA:
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NOTES:
Card Design Competition: Shard Maddness (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,11099.0.html)
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Re: Shard | Shard of Restraint https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=11119.msg140562#msg140562
« Reply #1 on: August 17, 2010, 02:22:43 pm »
CURATOR COMMENT
To get this card approved for the competition:
-Fix the spelling error on your non-upped description in the Ability section of the table (upgradable)
-Leave the ATK|HP section blank if the card is not a creature


Great for saving a creature with an important ability (Druid, FFQ) against damaging shields when they're immortalized. I like the idea, and the gray shard background probably helps the theme as well. :)

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Re: Shard | Shard of Restraint https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=11119.msg140568#msg140568
« Reply #2 on: August 17, 2010, 02:34:43 pm »
So should I use the incorrect spelling (upgradable) for the table description, or make a new image... or either?

EDIT: Eh, I opted for the easy way...

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Re: Shard | Shard of Restraint https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=11119.msg140584#msg140584
« Reply #3 on: August 17, 2010, 02:56:14 pm »
re·straint   /rɪˈstreɪnt/  Show Spelled[ri-streynt]  Show IPA
–noun
1. a restraining action or influence: freedom from restraint.
2. Sometimes, restraints.  a means of or device for restraining, as a harness for the body.
3. the act of restraining, holding back, controlling, or checking.
4. the state or fact of being restrained; deprivation of liberty; confinement.
5. constraint or reserve in feelings, behavior, etc.

vir·tu·ous   /ˈvɜrtʃuəs/  Show Spelled[vur-choo-uhs]  Show IPA
–adjective
1. conforming to moral and ethical principles; morally excellent; upright: Lead a virtuous life.
2. chaste: a virtuous young person.



For Restraint to be your Virtue it must be your guidelines, not something you inflict on someone else. If you hold affliction on someone else you are making judgement, not holding virtue.

Why do you think your shard holds to the Virtue  of Restraint?

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Re: Shard | Shard of Restraint https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=11119.msg140586#msg140586
« Reply #4 on: August 17, 2010, 02:59:21 pm »
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,11120.0.html


this one isn't exactly the player's virtue... it makes the creatures determined. Mine is not a player's virtue either... it makes the creatures "co-operate". So is it too far out to have the ability to restrain a creature? :)
(sorry to ninja the chance for CB to answer, just wanted to throw it out there)

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Re: Shard | Shard of Restraint https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=11119.msg140589#msg140589
« Reply #5 on: August 17, 2010, 03:04:59 pm »
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,11120.0.html


this one isn't exactly the player's virtue... it makes the creatures determined. Mine is not a player's virtue either... it makes the creatures "co-operate". So is it too far out to have the ability to restrain a creature? :)
(sorry to ninja the chance for CB to answer, just wanted to throw it out there)
A leader applies Virtue to his followers. It is why a Knight has a squire or a King has citizens. I see no issue in applying virtue to a players own creatures but to hold your virtue on an opponents creatures isn't a virtuous action, it is a judgement.

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Re: Shard | Shard of Restraint https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=11119.msg140593#msg140593
« Reply #6 on: August 17, 2010, 03:08:36 pm »
I think this shard would be a nice defence against antimatter.

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Re: Shard | Shard of Restraint https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=11119.msg140600#msg140600
« Reply #7 on: August 17, 2010, 03:15:52 pm »
re·straint   /rɪˈstreɪnt/  Show Spelled[ri-streynt]  Show IPA
–noun
1. a restraining action or influence: freedom from restraint.
2. Sometimes, restraints.  a means of or device for restraining, as a harness for the body.
3. the act of restraining, holding back, controlling, or checking.
4. the state or fact of being restrained; deprivation of liberty; confinement.
5. constraint or reserve in feelings, behavior, etc.

vir·tu·ous   /ˈvɜrtʃuəs/  Show Spelled[vur-choo-uhs]  Show IPA
–adjective
1. conforming to moral and ethical principles; morally excellent; upright: Lead a virtuous life.
2. chaste: a virtuous young person.



For Restraint to be your Virtue it must be your guidelines, not something you inflict on someone else. If you hold affliction on someone else you are making judgement, not holding virtue.

Why do you think your shard holds to the Virtue  of Restraint?
Thanks for the grammar lesson.  Definition #3 is exactly what this card does.  And the idea was to use it on your own creatures more like what Kuroaitou mentioned.

Great for saving a creature with an important ability (Druid, FFQ) against damaging shields when they're immortalized. I like the idea, and the gray shard background probably helps the theme as well. :)
Also, has great synergy with butterfly effect. 

So restraining your attack can save your life from a fire shield.  I guess that's how I see it holding to the Virtue  of Restraint.

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Re: Shard | Shard of Restraint https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=11119.msg140605#msg140605
« Reply #8 on: August 17, 2010, 03:19:15 pm »

So it will only affect your own creature?

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Re: Shard | Shard of Restraint https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=11119.msg140609#msg140609
« Reply #9 on: August 17, 2010, 03:20:57 pm »
So it will only affect your own creature?
Does it have to?  Is it not virtuous to restrain your attacker?

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Re: Shard | Shard of Restraint https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=11119.msg140618#msg140618
« Reply #10 on: August 17, 2010, 03:37:42 pm »
So it will only affect your own creature?
Does it have to?  Is it not virtuous to restrain your attacker?
It is not virtuous to restrain your opponent. To do so is not to live conforming to the moral and ethical principle of restraint but instead to apply law to someone else.

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Re: Shard | Shard of Restraint https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=11119.msg140642#msg140642
« Reply #11 on: August 17, 2010, 04:04:55 pm »
So it will only affect your own creature?
Does it have to?  Is it not virtuous to restrain your attacker?
It is not virtuous to restrain your opponent. To do so is not to live conforming to the moral and ethical principle of restraint but instead to apply law to someone else.
Taxing your opponent (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,11369.msg149718#msg149718) isn't very virtuous either.  I'm sure we could make similar arguments with half of the shards submitted.  I don't think the competition is meant to spark philosophical debate about the level of each shard's virtue.

If you're coming at me with a 6 ATK knife, and I have the option to knock the knife out of your hand, restraining you from attacking me IS virtuous, IMO...  I didn't kill you or mutate you.  I just restrained your attack.  If there's a problem with the card itself, let's talk about that.  If my view of 'restraint' isn't as virtuous as your view, let's start a topic somewhere else.

 

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