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Who played the best mafia?

iancudorinmarian
2 (5.9%)
TheonlyrealBeef
3 (8.8%)
worldwideweb3
5 (14.7%)
Annele
0 (0%)
kaempfer13
1 (2.9%)
Calindu
0 (0%)
Linkcat
1 (2.9%)
moehrpi
0 (0%)
Submachine
13 (38.2%)
serprex
0 (0%)
MasterWalks
0 (0%)
andretimpa
1 (2.9%)
rob77dp
2 (5.9%)
shockcannon
1 (2.9%)
killsdazombies
4 (11.8%)
DoubleCapitals
0 (0%)
Coffeeditto
1 (2.9%)
Ge0metry v2.0
0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 15

Voting closed: June 26, 2020, 09:57:32 pm

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Re: Elements Mafia 73 - by PlayerOa https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67825.msg1299215#msg1299215
« Reply #2028 on: June 15, 2020, 03:24:39 pm »
If we discuss all this, we might get to a conclusion as a team, instead of following our bloodlusts, which I am very wary of right now.
Everyone except Geo was here to discuss it then, so I am less worried about bloodlust now.

Let's see what Geo flips, then continue from there. If he flips town, there is no point.
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Re: Elements Mafia 73 - by PlayerOa https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67825.msg1299216#msg1299216
« Reply #2029 on: June 15, 2020, 03:28:29 pm »
I'm struggling to see a world where you (Calindu) are town and Ge0 is not based on people's behaviour today. MW is pretty much universally agreed upon to be town and could get away with voting on anyone as scum. it's also clear he wants to get this over with, he wouldn't bus here.
Submachine voted and cased Ge0 while MW was still voting me, so it would be weird for him to choose to bus there as well.
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Re: Elements Mafia 73 - by PlayerOa https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67825.msg1299221#msg1299221
« Reply #2030 on: June 15, 2020, 07:00:11 pm »
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Re: Elements Mafia 73 - by PlayerOa https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67825.msg1299222#msg1299222
« Reply #2031 on: June 15, 2020, 07:10:07 pm »
Ok good! i think the game is solved now, but obv I'll have another look when I see who survives the night.
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Re: Elements Mafia 73 - by PlayerOa https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67825.msg1299223#msg1299223
« Reply #2032 on: June 15, 2020, 07:31:14 pm »
Alright! This does make Kae look a lot better and Cal somewhat worse.

couldn't devote much time to this except from reading.
[...]
Something that's interesting though is that Ge0 got voted super early on, either mafia decided to bus him early on or mafia is forcing an early misslynch.

Ge0 (4) - kaempfer13, Submachine, MasterWalks, Calindu
It feels like late bussing, hoping that maybe things go better for Geo. Especially how he tries to poke suspicion at those who voted early.

I also saw Cal online a few times yesterday, as he confirms reading the topic, but he hasn't come in to place a vote.



@Calindu: I do concede that Link's final readlist was abysmal, so I remove that part from the available cases against you. But I still believe that one of you or Kae has to be mafia (because wagonomics), and Kae has been tunneling Geo hard for a long time now. Kae has also been solving more, so there's that too. Also, if it's not you and not Kae, then it's MW, in which case we should forget about winning anyway, because noone will vote on him.
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Re: Elements Mafia 73 - by PlayerOa https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67825.msg1299227#msg1299227
« Reply #2033 on: June 15, 2020, 07:42:02 pm »
God i wish i was mafia this game. I would be doing great as mafia, and pretty shitty as town.
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Re: Elements Mafia 73 - by PlayerOa https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67825.msg1299248#msg1299248
« Reply #2034 on: June 15, 2020, 08:49:43 pm »
God i wish i was mafia this game. I would be doing great as mafia, and pretty shitty as town.
It would work out perfectly for you. You could vote up confirmed town, and we would call you towny for it. (Sort of.)

It reminds me one of serprex's posts:

No past experience, but...

It depends on the roles. For the sake of argument we'll say me & one of my allies both rolled Oty. Yeah, great scum roles, this is great, not to mention it gets better when we troll worldwideqq & he flips GN. So next I risk MK to fake claim deja with my fellow oty. What if there's real dejas you ask? YOLO. As confirmed town I'm free to play scummy under the guise of pressuring town. So I'd totally fluster one of the better players around to keep him annoyed that town is throwing the game. Meanwhile I'd ally with the craziest player in the group in order to make people have to risk brain damage from confirmed town telling them to play with this player. Also it'd mean I'd have a perfect reason to bandwagon on the towniest players, come D2 nobody has any clue what's going on. Everyone skipped checking me & my ally's deja claim because NK is supposed to prove it. We're both still alive. No problem, mafia obviously wanted to get fate egg of the table when they have the lead off the GN kill & no lynch. Next night we still don't go, but it makes sense, towny player was protected night before, this night the towny player we failed to bandwagon goes down. It isn't until D4 that people are getting suspicious. By now the roles are coming out though, who needs to kill vanilla players who keep trolling the rest of town?

Accept it sub, you've already lost if I'm scum. So you'll just have to townread me as your only hope. Only it's hopeless, because you've already lost
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Re: Elements Mafia 73 - by PlayerOa https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67825.msg1299251#msg1299251
« Reply #2035 on: June 16, 2020, 04:46:11 am »
What exactly is the point you're trying to make, Sub?
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Re: Elements Mafia 73 - by PlayerOa https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67825.msg1299252#msg1299252
« Reply #2036 on: June 16, 2020, 05:42:52 am »
My point is that noone seems to be tinfoiling a world where MW is mafia. I told earlier that I still see a world where it is possible.

MasterWalks
He randomly votes on people at times without giving much explanation.
He also seems to be more organized in this game than previously.
But I received no discussion on this part, and everyone seemed to dismiss the possibility instantly, so I went with a different idea (My idea was: even if MW is mafia, he has a partner who is easier to find).
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Re: Elements Mafia 73 - by PlayerOa https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67825.msg1299253#msg1299253
« Reply #2037 on: June 16, 2020, 06:27:50 am »
This might bring more discussion, so I put on my tinfoil hat on to further explore that world.

Let's assume that MW has been mafia this whole game. He's putting people on the spot by calling them out for their ability use, accusing only town so far. He is voting people up without giving much explanation. Both actions may hope to get a wagon going in favor of mafia. Then later when he sees kdz target ian, he brings the suspicion on kdz. He is not the one to find ian, he was just a bystander. Then after it becomes a thunderdome between ian and kdz, MW becomes the kingmaker. He could have realized that if he pushed a lynch in favor of mafia, then he and ian would be counter-lynched next, so makes the safe play to vouch his night action against ian. Then when it's LyLo, he comes out the game with a tunnel vote, but then sheeps back on the main wagon when he sees the mislynch is not going to work out.

looks good (although your reason is a bit questionable, but I'll take it)!
I'm not sure exactly who the mafia is, MW is the only one I kind of trust,

MW >>> Kae > Sub > Ge0
And these are the kind of posts that make me feel you two would let MW do his thing without batting an eye. "Questionable action, but I take it." A three times wider gap between MW and everyone else, so if he does anything bad, the gap has room to narrow before MW changes place in the order.

That is why I made posts like this:

he is throwing confetti and ribbons all over the place with MW (because if they are both mafia, they essentially won anyway...).
Noone disagreed me on that one, which proves my case.



Note: My case is not that MW is more likely to be mafia than you lot. My point is that everyone else ignores that possibility.
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« Reply #2038 on: June 16, 2020, 10:20:49 am »
Mw did a lot of things that just dont make sense to do as scum. It's probably wrong that he would behave perfectly logical regardless of alignement, but in order to do some of the things he did while suffering from tmi kinda requires some kind of grand plan, which is way to sophisticated for how I know him to be. if Calindu doesnt give me anything to think about (I dont actually need a defense in that sense, mostly I need to know who you think could the last mafia be and why), i suppose I could busy myself tinfoiling you two.
As invinvible town that's tunneling Calindu i know its pretty much inevitable that one of you dies, which would save me some of the thinking on that front, but i suppose after i update the lynchlogs one last time I have nothing better to do in absence of input from Calindu.
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Re: Elements Mafia 73 - by PlayerOa https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67825.msg1299261#msg1299261
« Reply #2039 on: June 16, 2020, 07:18:17 pm »
Huh, while i am offended by Kaempfer literally calling me stupid all game; he is right. Im not mafia.


Do you really think of me as that stupid? I mean, i get that its mafia, but you are using your knowledge of "knowing me" presumably from our work together in league. I guess i dont really care, i will never meet any of you and probably not be talking to any of you in about a year, just kinda hurts seeing what a first impression of me looks like.

Anyways, emotions aside, i think Cal is the last mafia member. Look at the last mafia he played where he was scum. Playing pretty much similar to how he is now. I say we lynch him as our last lynch.
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