Elements Mafia 73 - by PlayerOa

[Linkcat]

Shock was too late, real vote count.

andretimpa (3) - Calindu, Submachine, MasterWalks
Linkcat (5) - Annele, kaempfer13, serprex, shockcannon, moehrpi
Annele (5) - Ge0metry, Linkcat, andretimpa, iancudorinmarian, rob77dp

SUB YOU'RE TOO GOD DAMN LATE

[iancudorinmarian]

No lynch ResidentSleeper

[Submachine]

I hate you Sub

I was about to go away, it was not me who was juggling the votes like crazy

Did you guys really kill Linkcat??? Or are we at no lynch?

[PlayerOa]

Day is somehow over, gimme a sec to look over stuff

[PlayerOa]

Night 1

Spoiler for Lore:

The moon is bright. It's a new night.

There was no lynch.

Night 1 has ended.

[PlayerOa]

Rule updates regarding EOD will happen tomorrow. Somebody please post the full chatlog when it has concluded, I'm going to sleep

[TheonlyrealBeef]

Spoiler for Chat log:

[25.05.2020 23:24:14] shockcannon: how long is this lasting?
[25.05.2020 23:24:32] PlayerOa: max 35 minutes more
[25.05.2020 23:24:39] shockcannon: linkcat has had majority vote for about 20 minutes now and no one else has even tied it
[25.05.2020 23:24:42] PlayerOa: I'm enforcing 30 minutes starting from next phase
[25.05.2020 23:25:02] shockcannon: like what's considered perpetually delaying as opposed to new votes?
[25.05.2020 23:25:10] shockcannon: i'm confused about that differentiation
[25.05.2020 23:25:16] serprex: Linkcat clearly perpetually delaying when he's voting on himself, agreed
[25.05.2020 23:27:04] PlayerOa: I've been under the impression it means any votes unless back-to-back ones from same person
[25.05.2020 23:27:14] shockcannon: got it
[25.05.2020 23:27:21] shockcannon: just wanted clarification
[25.05.2020 23:27:22] PlayerOa: But I didn't realize the possibility of voting just to switch back
[25.05.2020 23:28:12] rob77dp: that has previoiusly been acceptable
[25.05.2020 23:28:44] rob77dp: NB - I haven't played in a long time
[25.05.2020 23:28:48] TheonlyrealBeef: As long as it's not consistently the same person, I imagine.
[25.05.2020 23:28:53] serprex:
[25.05.2020 23:30:03] worldwideweb3: ginyu did have 30 mins not one hour tho - and Oa said hell change to 30 mins next phase onwards
[25.05.2020 23:30:52] PlayerOa: ^ yeah this 1 hour was mostly due to me not having clarified earlier so wanted to give you some leeway
[25.05.2020 23:32:43] PlayerOa: 23:29:31 is latest vote btw, not 23:30:13
[25.05.2020 23:32:58] worldwideweb3: shhhh dont tell them
[25.05.2020 23:33:01] worldwideweb3: and hammer
[25.05.2020 23:33:14] PlayerOa: :awesome:
[25.05.2020 23:33:57] worldwideweb3: idk why every mafia at EOD people start voting when theyve had 2 days :facepalm: next mafia idea: reduce days to 1 day as it goes down to EOD anyways
[25.05.2020 23:34:47] PlayerOa: Time's up!
[25.05.2020 23:34:58] worldwideweb3: or not
[25.05.2020 23:35:00] worldwideweb3: rob voted
[25.05.2020 23:35:06] shockcannon: BeCaUsE tHeY mUsT pRoTeCt GrAbOiD
[25.05.2020 23:35:15] worldwideweb3: tho his vote
[25.05.2020 23:35:17] worldwideweb3: was after
[25.05.2020 23:35:18] TheonlyrealBeef: 8 seconds late, strictly speaking
[25.05.2020 23:35:18] PlayerOa: 8 seconds too late, no?
[25.05.2020 23:35:19] worldwideweb3: deadline
[25.05.2020 23:35:27] worldwideweb3: yup 8 seconds late, all over
[25.05.2020 23:35:30] rob77dp: internet lag
[25.05.2020 23:35:31] worldwideweb3: finally
[25.05.2020 23:35:32] moehrpi: Looks like in time to me
[25.05.2020 23:35:41] rob77dp: --^
[25.05.2020 23:35:50] worldwideweb3: 29:13, 34:39
[25.05.2020 23:35:56] worldwideweb3: 5 minutes 8 seconds
[25.05.2020 23:36:14] Wyand:
[25.05.2020 23:36:15] rob77dp: on my local clock it was fine... Host decision rules though I guess...
[25.05.2020 23:36:17] worldwideweb3: the vote was at 29:13, ian posted later to correct count
[25.05.2020 23:36:21] worldwideweb3: not change votes
[25.05.2020 23:36:30] moehrpi: Oh, I checken the double post.
[25.05.2020 23:36:35] TheonlyrealBeef: 29:31, not 13
[25.05.2020 23:36:46] worldwideweb3: oh yh oops
[25.05.2020 23:36:58] worldwideweb3: still 5 mins 8 secs tho
[25.05.2020 23:37:19] PlayerOa: What can I do? Where can I draw the line if 8 seconds aren't enough?
[25.05.2020 23:37:24] moehrpi: U N L Y N C H A B L E
[25.05.2020 23:37:37] moehrpi: Draw the line.
[25.05.2020 23:37:37] TheonlyrealBeef: The double post was admittably confusing.
[25.05.2020 23:37:48] worldwideweb3: ‹@PlayerOa› they are enough
[25.05.2020 23:37:57] moehrpi: ian baiting on the next level.
[25.05.2020 23:38:04] worldwideweb3: its always been strict in terms of deadline
[25.05.2020 23:38:06] rob77dp: as host you draw the line
[25.05.2020 23:38:12] rob77dp: but it feels a tad harsh
[25.05.2020 23:38:22] PlayerOa: ian's fixing was the source of confusion
[25.05.2020 23:38:29] PlayerOa: but eh
[25.05.2020 23:38:30] Linkcat: I go for spirit of the rules over letter, myself.
[25.05.2020 23:38:34] PlayerOa: you can keep going
[25.05.2020 23:38:36] PlayerOa: I'm fine with it
[25.05.2020 23:38:39] Linkcat: The players intended to keep going
[25.05.2020 23:38:42] Linkcat: Thanks Oa
[25.05.2020 23:39:07] moehrpi: 'but it feels a tad harsh' That's what makes it fun
[25.05.2020 23:41:52] MasterWalks:
[25.05.2020 23:46:15] shockcannon: I have no qualms or issues with the choices made
[25.05.2020 23:46:30] shockcannon: but the timer incident may have some serious implications for this game
[25.05.2020 23:47:04] Linkcat: I should make the rule 10 minutes instead honestly
[25.05.2020 23:47:14] PlayerOa: What can I do about it, misunderstandings happen
[25.05.2020 23:48:03] PlayerOa: I feel it's better to give the leeway and let the discussion keep floating rather than enforcing something based on a misunderstanding
[25.05.2020 23:48:46] PlayerOa: If you disagree with that, sure fine PM me any concerns but that's how I feel like handling those situations
[25.05.2020 23:49:05] Coffeeditto: valid
[25.05.2020 23:51:14] PlayerOa: But please don't wait to as close as 5 minutes as possible if not necessary, as situations like those may occur
[25.05.2020 23:54:06] worldwideweb3: time up?
[25.05.2020 23:54:39] worldwideweb3: 48:45 was andres vote
[25.05.2020 23:54:44] worldwideweb3: ians correction was after
[25.05.2020 23:54:47] worldwideweb3: but.......
[25.05.2020 23:54:51] worldwideweb3: w/e
[25.05.2020 23:54:58] PlayerOa: oh lord has this thing happened again
[25.05.2020 23:55:09] worldwideweb3: yh
[25.05.2020 23:55:40] worldwideweb3: andres vote was 48:45 links vote 54:06 but ians correction at 49:44
[25.05.2020 23:56:30] PlayerOa: with today's guideline I'm compelled to continue to allow voting after correction clock
[25.05.2020 23:56:43] worldwideweb3: lols
[25.05.2020 23:56:52] Linkcat: Can we go past the hour lol?
[25.05.2020 23:56:58] PlayerOa: no
[25.05.2020 23:57:11] PlayerOa: 24:00:00 is strict final deadline
[25.05.2020 23:57:37] worldwideweb3: phew
[25.05.2020 23:58:51] moehrpi: http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-game...
[25.05.2020 23:58:54] moehrpi: This is final, no?
[25.05.2020 23:59:35] moehrpi: Like, the final vote but not the exact rally.
[25.05.2020 23:59:39] worldwideweb3: it should be, but re: correction
[26.05.2020 00:00:22] TheonlyrealBeef: So it's a tie.
[26.05.2020 00:00:23] PlayerOa: let's see how this ended
[26.05.2020 00:00:28] rob77dp: my vote better get counted on Annele
[26.05.2020 00:00:38] rob77dp: had trouble getting updated text, but typed fast several times Annele
[26.05.2020 00:00:44] worldwideweb3: lmao
[26.05.2020 00:00:46] worldwideweb3: no lynch
[26.05.2020 00:00:55] rob77dp: tie is no lynch????
[26.05.2020 00:01:01] rob77dp: it isn't coin?
[26.05.2020 00:01:10] TheonlyrealBeef: Tie is no lynch.
[26.05.2020 00:01:14] PlayerOa: How the hell is MW on DC
[26.05.2020 00:01:15] moehrpi: [23:58:51] ‹moehrpi› http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-game... [23:58:54] ‹moehrpi› This is final, no?
[26.05.2020 00:01:50] PlayerOa: ‹@moehrpi› Misunderstanding about what was final vote count. Had to keep prescedence already set
[26.05.2020 00:01:54] worldwideweb3: acc
[26.05.2020 00:02:52] Linkcat: I apologize for posting past deadline
[26.05.2020 00:03:12] rob77dp: we can post i nNight phase, right??
[26.05.2020 00:03:18] moehrpi: The actual count at that time was posted 1 minute later with a clear statement.
[26.05.2020 00:03:27] moehrpi: IS this reallly not gonna count?
[26.05.2020 00:03:29] PlayerOa: Yeah but please PLEASE give me a break to compile stuff
[26.05.2020 00:03:43] moehrpi: I didn't even pay attention to the last few posts.
[26.05.2020 00:04:07] rob77dp: ok, will hold off on thread Oa
[26.05.2020 00:04:23] PlayerOa: ‹@moehrpi› Again, as I said, there were misunderstandings whether ian's fixes were votes or fixes
[26.05.2020 00:04:49] kaempfer13: i'm pretty sure that juggling occured several times
[26.05.2020 00:04:53] moehrpi: It's not about ian's vote
[26.05.2020 00:04:57] Linkcat: God damnit iancu that was too funny
[26.05.2020 00:05:29] moehrpi: After Andre's count there was no vote for 5+ minutes.
[26.05.2020 00:05:31] Linkcat: I should have said you had to stay up lol, Oh well
[26.05.2020 00:05:39] PlayerOa: seems to me like Link's tally is correct
[26.05.2020 00:05:39] moehrpi: Only one correction from ian about one minute later.
[26.05.2020 00:06:05] serprex: http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-game...
[26.05.2020 00:06:43] serprex: ‹@moehrpi› precedence
[26.05.2020 00:06:58] serprex: ‹@moehrpi› posting votes delays deadline
[26.05.2020 00:07:09] serprex: ‹@moehrpi› basically deadline was 22:00 UTC, not 21:00 UTC
[26.05.2020 00:07:16] Linkcat: ‹@PlayerOa› Can we change to 10 minutes for the rest of the game? This isn't good for my heart lol
[26.05.2020 00:07:31] rob77dp: or just a hard single deadline
[26.05.2020 00:07:33] TheonlyrealBeef: They're both ties, so no difference.
[26.05.2020 00:07:39] PlayerOa: ‹@Linkcat› 10 minutes hard cap, or 10 minutes without votes?
[26.05.2020 00:07:48] Linkcat: 10 minutes without votes
[26.05.2020 00:07:50] PlayerOa: I'm leaning towards rob's suggestion
[26.05.2020 00:07:56] PlayerOa: No way that's going to happen
[26.05.2020 00:07:57] Linkcat: Wow, iancu correction really got me twice
[26.05.2020 00:08:00] worldwideweb3: ‹@TheonlyrealBeef› nope, andres post had missed an earlier vote out
[26.05.2020 00:08:04] Linkcat: Aww
[26.05.2020 00:08:16] Linkcat: Well then I'm changing it for 74 onwards lol
[26.05.2020 00:08:17] moehrpi: ‹@serprex› That's the exact vote I am talking about.
[26.05.2020 00:08:25] Submachine: WHAT HAPPENED
[26.05.2020 00:08:28] moehrpi: There was no vote after this one within five minutes.
[26.05.2020 00:08:34] moehrpi: Am I missing something?
[26.05.2020 00:08:44] rob77dp: can we limit posting about the game in here?
[26.05.2020 00:08:47] Linkcat: I just scroll down until I see a tally
[26.05.2020 00:08:49] rob77dp: take some breaths?
[26.05.2020 00:08:50] serprex: ‹@moehrpi› ian posted votes
[26.05.2020 00:08:57] PlayerOa: ‹@moehrpi› The fact that ian corrected it, but people thought that was a vote.
[26.05.2020 00:09:00] Linkcat: It's fine as long as we put in thread
[26.05.2020 00:09:09] rob77dp: ah ok
[26.05.2020 00:09:24] rob77dp: well then, @Sub -- you disappeared at EOD1
[26.05.2020 00:10:00] moehrpi: ‹@PlayerOa› [23:58:51] ‹moehrpi› http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-game... [23:58:54] ‹moehrpi› This is final, no?
[26.05.2020 00:10:03] rob77dp: actually, you were gone for a while, then present, then disappeared when thread presence >>>>>>>> catching up effort
[26.05.2020 00:10:16] worldwideweb3: ‹@moehrpi› [23:08:57] ‹PlayerOa› ‹@moehrpi› The fact that ian corrected it, but people thought that was a vote.
[26.05.2020 00:10:17] PlayerOa: Link's final tally looks correct to me, if I have missed something now is the time to raise your voice
[26.05.2020 00:10:39] moehrpi: I am raising my voice.
[26.05.2020 00:10:56] rob77dp: louder then moe?
[26.05.2020 00:11:03] PlayerOa: ‹@moehrpi› http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-game...
[26.05.2020 00:11:19] moehrpi: This was posted one minute after the vote.
[26.05.2020 00:11:23] Linkcat: ‹@PlayerOa› I think I speak for most people when I say that EoD frenzy is one of the funnest and most adrenaline-inducing parts of this game, but due to rule 10 you do have the right to change it.
[26.05.2020 00:11:26] PlayerOa: ^ this caused the misunderstanding
[26.05.2020 00:11:32] moehrpi: And it clearly states actual count.
[26.05.2020 00:11:38] worldwideweb3: ‹@Linkcat› you do not speak for most people
[26.05.2020 00:11:45] PlayerOa: ‹@moehrpi› Yes, and a new vote came in within 5 minutes of that one
[26.05.2020 00:11:45] rob77dp: exhilerating
[26.05.2020 00:11:50] Linkcat: Shush, you're dead
[26.05.2020 00:11:58] rob77dp: I hate the anticipation of EOD, but enjoy the thrill of the actual EOD
[26.05.2020 00:12:09] worldwideweb3: you never siad youre talking about this mafia
[26.05.2020 00:12:12] kaempfer13: If a person can keep themselves alive for an hour by going back and forth without directly changing the outcome of the vote we might as well make the deadline officially one hour later and save the trouble
[26.05.2020 00:12:25] rob77dp: --^
[26.05.2020 00:12:28] moehrpi: So we caused two misunderstandings and both of them led to an extension?
[26.05.2020 00:12:34] Linkcat: I thought it was going to be anticlimactic tbh, oh how I unerestimated our collective trolling ability
[26.05.2020 00:12:38] PlayerOa: I'm hosting by the rules I were given.
[26.05.2020 00:12:53] worldwideweb3: ( im just talking for future mafias btw)
[26.05.2020 00:12:55] TheonlyrealBeef: Just hard deadline to prevent similar drama from recurring.
[26.05.2020 00:12:57] PlayerOa: ‹@moehrpi› Yeah, can't go back on the second one without going back on the first one due to presedence
[26.05.2020 00:12:58] Linkcat: Making the deadline one hour later officially is the same as not having the rule
[26.05.2020 00:13:05] moehrpi: I am confused people actually thought ian's second correction was an actual vote.
[26.05.2020 00:13:10] rob77dp: Oa, you're not doing much feeling the force, let it Flow through you, channel inner power to change things, use an iron fist! /sarc
[26.05.2020 00:13:24] PlayerOa: I'm really considering hardcapping 19:00 gmt from now on
[26.05.2020 00:13:29] Linkcat: ‹@moehrpi› Like I said, I hit reply then scroll down until I see a tally to track the time
[26.05.2020 00:13:32] moehrpi: It's not a precedence if it is different.
[26.05.2020 00:13:35] Submachine: ‹@PlayerOa› At least allow my vote on Annele? I was reading a post that was around :57
[26.05.2020 00:13:36] worldwideweb3: ‹@PlayerOa› i would
[26.05.2020 00:13:38] worldwideweb3: if i was you
[26.05.2020 00:13:41] rob77dp: Oa - up to you, as host I think
[26.05.2020 00:13:42] serprex: ‹@PlayerOa› +1 for hardcap
[26.05.2020 00:13:43] moehrpi: But I respect your ruling.
[26.05.2020 00:13:52] TheonlyrealBeef: ‹@PlayerOa› ++
[26.05.2020 00:13:55] moehrpi: I was just feeling ignored .
[26.05.2020 00:14:01] shockcannon: you can leave current rules but just give players a vote switch cooldown
[26.05.2020 00:14:09] shockcannon: so the same player can't reset so many times
[26.05.2020 00:14:18] shockcannon: Like you can only change your vote once every 20 minutes or something
[26.05.2020 00:14:25] PlayerOa: ‹@Submachine› 22:00 was mentioned as hardcap several times
[26.05.2020 00:14:31] rob77dp: way simpler and less likely to get mixup issues, shock, to eliminate rule and just hardcap
[26.05.2020 00:14:45] moehrpi: Welp, it did mess with my final voting.. Let's see if the rest of this mafia will unfold in an similarly funny way.
[26.05.2020 00:15:06] PlayerOa: ‹@moehrpi› Sorry, I'm just exploded after bunking an exam, then I'm hitting the language barrier in this situation

[MasterWalks]

There was no lynch.

wow town sucks

[rob77dp]

I need to go decompress for a bit...

This EOD has clues. We just need to discern them to play from there. ughwhew

[Linkcat]

Well that was a really productive day.

Torb for the love of god why did you have to roll Graboid, Shock I love you, Sub I still hate you, Angel/FFQ/Dragonfly on me.

There was no lynch.

wow town sucks

YOU SUCK

[Linkcat]

Rob I need a break too, then we can try figuring out what the hell just happened.

[serprex]

Clues: rob & link are indeed unlynchable

Who saved them? Mafia outed themselves this game: rob, link, kdz, oa