Elements Mafia 62 - by Solaris

[rob77dp]

Kuroaitou (1) - iancudorinmarian
Linkcat (1) - CleanOnion
Demagog (1) - Espithel
CleanOnion (3) - skyironsword, Kuroaitou, Linkcat

Removing my vote for now as Kuro addressed my questions/pressure with some input and activity.

God, so many posts, can't believe I am finally through them. At least the nonsense-posting stopped for now.

Here's my stupid idea:
Wouldn't it have been better if Artemis claimed early and attracted all of the rocks, Athena's Nurse-saving move, and bricks and mortars to create a focal network? The problem is, we can't do that since apparently Pocket Sand users/Theia the Twat can then continuously figure out how to block the focus from expanding a web network.

Athena's ability is EoR, so Artemis would die very soon. Although there will be Hades to use that ability, I do not see the use of this strategy at all. Bricks and Mortars can just as well be thrown by members of the mafia (who have no other use for them anyway); as Artemis, you have no idea who to trust here.
Even late game when Artemis becomes nervous and wants to share his information, he can just as well post in the topic (if he got enough infos to win this way). Problem stays that Rocks/Bricks don't reveal primary roles.

Now that you are active and have read up to this point in the thread, can you give some thoughts on the various players - specifically Kuro, Lc, Dema, CleO, Espi, DC, and myself? Your post above indicates you are caught up then delves only into mechanics and such without addressing a major task of town - solving the game to find and lynch mafia.

[Solaris]

What was the method of distribution of the items? I know you stated there are 2 of each of the 4 items: 2 * 4 = 8 total items in the game among 19 players, but were they distributed randomly among the 8 players that have one item?

Items were distributed by first choosing the item that was to be distributed, then randomizing 1-19 via random.org. No rerolls occurred, meaning any player, regardless of faction/role may have an item, and a player might have 2 or more items.

This is insanity. What could prevent a mafia power role (like Theia, for example) from having ALL of the pocket sands and Olive Branches then?

1/19 chance over 4 trials does. We know I'm terrible at mafia hosting anyways

[Demagog]

Wait, you mean this mafia contains RNG?!?!?!? I think Linkcat just ragequit.

[rob77dp]

Wait, you mean this mafia contains RNG?!?!?!? I think Linkcat just ragequit.

Dema, let's play a bit of the game...
Which player do you currently consider most scummy?

Which player do you currently view most-town (excluding yourself)?

[Solaris]

What was the method of distribution of the items? I know you stated there are 2 of each of the 4 items: 2 * 4 = 8 total items in the game among 19 players, but were they distributed randomly among the 8 players that have one item?

Items were distributed by first choosing the item that was to be distributed, then randomizing 1-19 via random.org. No rerolls occurred, meaning any player, regardless of faction/role may have an item, and a player might have 2 or more items.

This is insanity. What could prevent a mafia power role (like Theia, for example) from having ALL of the pocket sands and Olive Branches then?

1/19 chance over 4 trials does. We know I'm terrible at mafia hosting anyways

Please note that this does not confirm whether Kuro's fears are true or not.

Wait, you mean this mafia contains RNG?!?!?!? I think Linkcat just ragequit.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Demagog]

Wait, you mean this mafia contains RNG?!?!?!? I think Linkcat just ragequit.

Dema, let's play a bit of the game...
Which player do you currently consider most scummy?

Which player do you currently view most-town (excluding yourself)?

I already told you I'm terrible at discerning people as "scummy." But sure I'll play along. I do find it strange that you singled me out, but whatever.

Most scummy right now? Perhaps Kuro. He's playing very differently than I've seen him do in the past, and admitted to lying about Link. I can see this happening if Kuro is town, sure. But at the same time he also declared Espi is innocent, but I don't see how he could know. I don't believe there is any way Kuro could know unless he is Artemis, but why reveal one innocent person immediately when it's not all that likely that you'll die? So I don't think Kuro is Artemis. I have a suspicion that Kuro is mafia and playing more aggressively because he thinks we'll catch on more quickly if he tries to stay in the background. If Espi is truly town, and Kuro is mafia, K calling E town is a safe play, as mafia can kill E and all of town will say "hey, Kuro was telling the truth!" If Kuro is town, I don't know why he'd claim Espi is innocent so quickly... doesn't make sense to me.

As for the least likely to be mafia... probably Linkcat. I don't think he'd have initially proposed the rock idea if he were mafia. I will say that if it turns out that only 1, but especially 0 rocks start circulating, the chance that Linkcat is mafia will go up. Honestly, the chance that Artemis gets a rock is extremely slim. So while the strategy is helpful, I believe it is so slight an advantage that mafia-Linkcat would decide to propose it in thread. And Linkcat is the best choice for a mafia member to propose it since he seems to propose strategies often, so it's in his character. So for now I'm giving Linkcat the benefit of the doubt, but he's marginally more town to me than the rest of you.

I'm more inclined to base my reads on logic and how your posts affect the game than what you say. Right now, all of you lean scum, Linkcat is neutral at best, and Kuro is scum at worst.

[Linkcat]

Well Dema's also town, so that gives rob a 30% chance of being mafia.

[Demagog]

Ok, the only reason I could see Kuro post that Espi is innocent when Kuro is Artemis is if Kuro thinks he will be lynched... but he did it when there were what, two votes on him only? Not enough that he should have been scared in to making that play.

We could let Kuro live one or two rounds. If mafia thinks he's Artemis, they will have to target him. If he's mafia, he won't be nightkilled. If he's vanilla and they don't think he's mafia and let him live in order to get us to lynch him, well I don't see it as a big deal, as we'll probably end up lynching him in the first half the game regardless.

[Demagog]

Ebwop: "If he's vanilla and they don't think he's Artemis"

[rob77dp]

Spoiler for Dema's response/post:

Wait, you mean this mafia contains RNG?!?!?!? I think Linkcat just ragequit.

Dema, let's play a bit of the game...
Which player do you currently consider most scummy?

Which player do you currently view most-town (excluding yourself)?

I already told you I'm terrible at discerning people as "scummy." But sure I'll play along. I do find it strange that you singled me out, but whatever.

Most scummy right now? Perhaps Kuro. He's playing very differently than I've seen him do in the past, and admitted to lying about Link. I can see this happening if Kuro is town, sure. But at the same time he also declared Espi is innocent, but I don't see how he could know. I don't believe there is any way Kuro could know unless he is Artemis, but why reveal one innocent person immediately when it's not all that likely that you'll die? So I don't think Kuro is Artemis. I have a suspicion that Kuro is mafia and playing more aggressively because he thinks we'll catch on more quickly if he tries to stay in the background. If Espi is truly town, and Kuro is mafia, K calling E town is a safe play, as mafia can kill E and all of town will say "hey, Kuro was telling the truth!" If Kuro is town, I don't know why he'd claim Espi is innocent so quickly... doesn't make sense to me.

As for the least likely to be mafia... probably Linkcat. I don't think he'd have initially proposed the rock idea if he were mafia. I will say that if it turns out that only 1, but especially 0 rocks start circulating, the chance that Linkcat is mafia will go up. Honestly, the chance that Artemis gets a rock is extremely slim. So while the strategy is helpful, I believe it is so slight an advantage that mafia-Linkcat would decide to propose it in thread. And Linkcat is the best choice for a mafia member to propose it since he seems to propose strategies often, so it's in his character. So for now I'm giving Linkcat the benefit of the doubt, but he's marginally more town to me than the rest of you.

I'm more inclined to base my reads on logic and how your posts affect the game than what you say. Right now, all of you lean scum, Linkcat is neutral at best, and Kuro is scum at worst.

Dema, I singled you out because you seemed to be having a "burst of activity" (i.e. - you posted at the time I was looking at the thread to ask around to get conversation flowing again on solving). Thanks for the response - very nice.

Decent size town-lean on Dema for his effort and thoughts conveyed.


Ginyu, you're still up to the mic for me... why so silent after all the effort it had to take to catch up? Howcome no reads or stances on players? No vote yet either. Can you please take some time (small input compared to that of the task you claim to have already done - catch up reading the thread) to post some ideas/thoughts on players in the game? Thanks.

[DoubleCapitals]

Morning, everyone. I have unearthed a rock, from the deepest mines of Mount Sinai or Olympus or whatever, I'm bad at this.

Can we use the anonymous messageboard for posting rock things instead? That way we have a direct message as to whether or not Athena was the source rock, and we can just throw it back or something.

2nd rock is here

[Linkcat]

Are you saying that you have the other rock, or did I miss a rock claim?