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Overused | Overworked https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=52516.msg1110819#msg1110819
« on: November 20, 2013, 10:20:22 pm »
NAME:
Overused
ELEMENT:
Thanatos∞
COST:
5
TYPE:
Permanent
ATK|HP:

TEXT:
:time :time : Rust (Sacrifice card)
Destroy all non-pillar permanents on the field.
NAME:
Overworked
ELEMENT:
Thanatos∞
COST:
3
TYPE:
Permanent
ATK|HP:

TEXT:
:time :time : Rust (Sacrifice card)
Destroy all non-pillar permanents on the field.

ART:
Public Domain, Peter Griffin
IDEA:
Foofatron
NOTES:
Destroys multiple permanents and bonewalls for example, hourglasses, sanctuaries, empathetic bonds, soul catchers, shards of gratitude, freedom, and void, and even multiple sundials.
SERIES:

« Last Edit: December 05, 2013, 04:00:08 am by foofatron »

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Re: Overused | Overworked https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=52516.msg1110822#msg1110822
« Reply #1 on: November 20, 2013, 10:22:53 pm »
Why isn't it just a 8/6 :time cost card? It self destructs, so...

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Re: Overused | Overworked https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=52516.msg1110823#msg1110823
« Reply #2 on: November 20, 2013, 10:24:06 pm »
If it gets destroyed you don't lose as much. Also It destroys bonewalls entirely.

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Re: Overused | Overworked https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=52516.msg1110824#msg1110824
« Reply #3 on: November 20, 2013, 10:24:32 pm »
1) It's vulnerable to PC for at least one turn.
2) As a permanent, you can play it earlier and then use it even if you're silenced.
3) If your hand is full, you can still play it and save its ability for later.

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Re: Overused | Overworked https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=52516.msg1110826#msg1110826
« Reply #4 on: November 20, 2013, 10:26:08 pm »
Mutual destruction of permanents is interesting, but Time isn't obligated to use it's own. Time isn't so much a element of destruction as it is change and stalling, so it doesn't fit well. Just because a element is missing PC doesn't mean it needs it.

Edit: that said, it's balanced and I kind of like it.
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Re: Overused | Overworked https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=52516.msg1110827#msg1110827
« Reply #5 on: November 20, 2013, 10:26:35 pm »
But it's already pretty weak. I mean, come on, half the time the only permanents you see are pillars, pendulums, weapons and shields.

The one turn delay just makes it worse.

Edit: Jyiber makes a good point. Perhaps sending all permanents to the top of the deck? That gives it some use with dim shield I suppose.

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Re: Overused | Overworked https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=52516.msg1110830#msg1110830
« Reply #6 on: November 20, 2013, 10:30:43 pm »
Well my concept when making it was that weapons wear with age, rust, and become useless so I picked time as the element to support the card. I couldn't really see any other element where it would fit well into.

I just thought of another take: Spite. A dark card that destroys your cards then your opponents. Dark is willing to incur injury to itself to get a better position.
« Last Edit: November 20, 2013, 10:33:34 pm by foofatron »

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Re: Overused | Overworked https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=52516.msg1110832#msg1110832
« Reply #7 on: November 20, 2013, 10:37:58 pm »
Doesn't particularly need an element change. Just needs to be soft PC instead of hard.

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Re: Overused | Overworked https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=52516.msg1110833#msg1110833
« Reply #8 on: November 20, 2013, 10:38:34 pm »
Interesting.
Definitely a very powerful ability, but the double edged nature seems like it should help balance it...

I do agree with others that this doesn't entirely fit in the time element, although I do see the connection.

A forced duo may be a little limiting, but I think tying in :death would be good here... Alternatively, this would make an excellent candidate for a hybrid element :death - :time card. ( see here Hybrid Element Page for more info).

I proposed a potential card back for the element a while back and all the hybrid marks are available, so you would have everything you need to make the custom card art in the card editor:
Spoiler for card back and mark:


« Last Edit: November 20, 2013, 10:44:00 pm by OdinVanguard »
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Re: Overused | Overworked https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=52516.msg1110838#msg1110838
« Reply #9 on: November 20, 2013, 10:46:57 pm »
I just want to highlight where it can be powerful.

Destroys multiple permanents and bonewalls for example, hourglasses, sanctuaries, empathetic bonds, soul catchers, shards of gratitude, freedom, and void, and even multiple sundials.

If I lowered the playing cost do you think it would be better, as I still want it to be a permanent. A hybrid is interesting I'm leaning toward either dark or death and time.
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Re: Overused | Overworked https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=52516.msg1110841#msg1110841
« Reply #10 on: November 20, 2013, 10:52:52 pm »
I just want to highlight where it can be powerful.

Destroys multiple permanents and bonewalls for example, hourglasses, sanctuaries, empathetic bonds, soul catchers, shards of gratitude, freedom, and void, and even multiple sundials.

If I lowered the playing cost do you think it would be better, as I still want it to be a permanent. A hybrid is interesting I'm leaning toward either dark or death and time.
If you go with dark-time hybrid, you should have everything you need for it in the OP of the hybrid mark page I listed earlier

P.S.
death-time hybrid has been dubbed "Thanatos"
dark-time hybrid has been dubbed "Dreamweaver"
So you can list them that way in the element section.
« Last Edit: November 20, 2013, 10:54:31 pm by OdinVanguard »
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Re: Overused | Overworked https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=52516.msg1110903#msg1110903
« Reply #11 on: November 21, 2013, 01:41:48 am »
I went with death/time and decided to lower the cost by 1.

 

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