WoE - Skill polishing - Darkness

[Scaredgirl]

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It's time to go through all the 13 skill trees and make them "perfect". Main goals are:

1. Make all the skills fit to the theme of their path
2. Balance skills between different skill trees
3. Make big changes now that we have the technology trees and City buildings
4. Make skills cool and interesting


Others are not 100% ready yet, but we'll continue to work on them. Now lets start Darkness.



I changed Prince of Darkness to Nightwalker to get rid of the gender problem. I also made some other big changes so check it out and post feedback and ideas. Thanks.

[TheonlyrealBeef]

I think Quanta Leech is definitely a skill that needs looking into. It's by far the best skill from all skills to begin with I think, since everyone relies on Pillars at the beginning you can almost double your experience per battle at the beginning. I'm not sure, but I don't think skills are entirely balanced if almost everyone chooses to start off with the same skill (though it's much less useful later on). Possibly 1 XP per 8 quanta cards? By taking quanta cards more generally it's still useful later on, and by choosing 8 it's unlikely you'd gain 2 XP or more most of the time.

[Scaredgirl]

I think Quanta Leech is definitely a skill that needs looking into. It's by far the best skill from all skills to begin with I think, since everyone relies on Pillars at the beginning you can almost double your experience per battle at the beginning. I'm not sure, but I don't think skills are entirely balanced if almost everyone chooses to start off with the same skill (though it's much less useful later on). Possibly 1 XP per 8 quanta cards? By taking quanta cards more generally it's still useful later on, and by choosing 8 it's unlikely you'd gain 2 XP or more most of the time.

Yea, I agree. I've never liked that skill that much. I like the concept, but in order for it to work, we would have to increase the XP requirements (and XP gained) a lot, maybe to tenfold or something. This way we could use something like "+1XP for each 3 Pillars", and it still wouldn't be OP. The problem is that increasing XP would lead to all kinds of math fail.

It would probably be best to replace the skill with something totally different.

[Zaealix]

Perhaps Quanta Leech would be best if it altered the salvage instead? Gain +1 card for every 5 Quanta producting permanent in the opponent's deck. That way, it covers pendulums. Does that work?

[Onizuka]

Is it just me...or does the Nightwalker side seem highly situational/weak?

I've never gotten the usefulness of disguise...why go into a hostile city if you're not attacking it?
Does Bloodthirsty stack? Can I take out 10 people in a row and my next battle use 20+Base ups?
Lunar cycle seems UP and super situational at best. Maybe with stealth, but I dunno.
Sacrifice is fine.
Dark feast...well, I haven't ever gotten that far in WoE so I don't know how vital exp is but it seems lacking for a tier 3 skill.

[Zaealix]

The Disguise could be useful for abusing the mechant pricing. Disguise yourself as a friendly element, and then buy at discount prices!

[Kuroaitou]

Although I'm sad that the Darkness tree no longer contains 'Pickpocket' as a skill, I realized that it would be better placed else. (*coughUWcough*)

Most of Darkness' abilities seem solid as they are (Corrupt Mind/the champion skill being one of THE BEST changes if done properly ), but there a few changes that could be added just in case:

Stealth - perhaps allow this ability to still remain whenever ANY type of movement is done (i.e. - Shadow Leap, Use/Bind Stone of Return, etc.), so that it has more synergy with the tree in their ability for shadows to come up anywhere and everywhere...

Disrupt Magic - perhaps there should be an 'active' aspect to this? Like disrupting the Tower of Magic building, but not really necessary. Perhaps generating a Relic for every spell they use against you or something. (Not really)

Dark Feast - XP drain should be doubled if you win 2-0, or even tripled to make it more powerful if you dominate another player; at the same time, this might have to be looked into when it comes down to how this works against lower level players (can it DE-level someone?).

[Xenocidius]

Correct me if I'm wrong.

With the Corrupt Mind skill, Trade is a Basic Action, yes? So what's to stop the Darkness player from simply selling all their victim's equipment?

[Kuroaitou]

Correct me if I'm wrong.

With the Corrupt Mind skill, Trade is a Basic Action, yes? So what's to stop the Darkness player from simply selling all their victim's equipment?

Two major things actually. ^^;

1) Players DON'T have access to enemy player character sheets, so they don't know what they would be 'selling' to begin with, even if they saw part of their deck in the previous battle; they can't physically change that character sheet either, so it won't work.

2) They'd have to be near a city to do this. (Lesser reason)

Personally, the real damage you can do with a controlled player are:
-Using the person to attack members of their own faction
-Using the person to protect you from oncoming attackers
-Using the player to SEIGE THEIR OWN TOWN ()
-Moving them into random territory and neutralizing hexes to other enemy elements

You can't sell off their entire army obviously, but forcing them to damage their own settlements or ruin their reputation with their own faction is quite fun in my opinion. ^_^

[Xenocidius]

So when you force them to attack members of their own faction do they personally carry out the battles? So they could choose to lose if they wanted to, or try to win (which would annoy their team member opponent).

That actually does sound fun.

And I assume you can still perform your own actions while controlling another player, right?

[Kuroaitou]

So when you force them to attack members of their own faction do they personally carry out the battles? So they could choose to lose if they wanted to, or try to win (which would annoy their team member opponent).

That actually does sound fun.

And I assume you can still perform your own actions while controlling another player, right?

Correct and yes. That's the beauty of the champion skill; you could LITERALLY ruin two or more player's days by forcing false battling (or worse; attacking the entire element by sieging cities), while still maintaining your own sinister agenda as a Darkness champion.

[sebysebyseby]

So, if you force a player to attack someone else, does the darkness player fight the battle, or does the owner of the player do, because if the darkness player does that, I see an infinite loop where two darkness players with the champion skill take turns pounding wins out of one poor character and more then completely destroying him 

Or, does he resurrect after two days regardless of if he gets attacked again by someone else with the champion skill?