War #11 Deck Layout

[JonathanCrazyJ]

Deck Layout

Spoiler for ReadMe:

Introduction
This thread is where we suggest, tweak and prepare decks for our vault. By the end of the vault-building phase, we should have a diverse selection of decks, including at least two which we would be happy... no, excited, to throw against each opponent.

Building From Scratch?
I don't want to just throw a selection of decks together. i want to think about our weaknesses and counter them. If that means not including some decks we used last war, then so be it. The second post in this thread will be a post-mortem of our decks from the last two wars, what worked and what didn't. if we need to build from scratch, we can do that too.

Market Prices
I'd rather have 12 optimized decks than 15 budget decks. We can worry about tweaking for the market and cutting some decks when we have finished building, so long as we get to work soon. It may also be worth buying a bundle of very cheap cards once we have finished building, as in-vault discard fodder. I don't mind throwing a cheap deck together but ONLY if we think it could actually beat something that someone might throw at us.

Decks

Spoiler for Toadmare 1860:

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Spoiler for Explosion Wardens 2930:

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Spoiler for Speed Poison 2170:

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Spoiler for General Void 2195:

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Spoiler for Wingz in Tingz 1470:

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Spoiler for Cata T 1350:

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Spoiler for Serpentine 1320:

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Spoiler for Light Stall 2815:

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Spoiler for RoL/Hope 2520:

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Decks by Opponent

By the end of vaultbuilding, I want at least 2 decks under each element which we would want to use against them. Some can overlap more than one element.

 
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[JonathanCrazyJ]

What Went Wrong? War 9 and 10 Vaults:

Decks including cost in current market, and notes on what I think of them, colour coded for 'Might work' and 'drown unmercilessly'. Deck titles are OLD costs, Spoiler titles are NEW costs.

Spoiler for War 10 Decks:

Spoiler for NovaPatience 3460:

I love this deck, even though it has got expensive. Adding a grabby or two for CC evasion could work, I like that the voodoos PC weapons, and damage can be dealt while SOP is on with chrys and by using warden ability on voodoo.
Very expensive now. Also upgrades moving around so that wardens are out of CC range could be needed.

2480

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Spoiler for Devourer Poseidon 2600:

A good denial deck when the right cards come out.
Quite janky quanta and draw wise, plus, suffers from CC, which a lot of our decks doo. The denial can take a turn or two longer to get going than some other denial decks.

1865

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Spoiler for Rainbow Nymph 950:

Cheap, and versatile. We may want to rebuild this to work against certain opponents better. It's basically an average deck that you can include things like pulvy, QTs and reflect to counter specific decks.
i mean, it's not great. It's slow, depends a lot on draw and luck.

780

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Spoiler for SoFo Tinkerer 1930:

Great domin deck with PC, bypass and protection.
I quite like this deck, though it suffers... you guessed it, from CC. We really need come decks that don't care about CC as much..

1280

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Spoiler for Toadmare 1900:

Sweet deck, water's is particularly good with midrange hitters.
No real negatives other than that it's very predictable

1640

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Spoiler for AMFlooding 1720:

Hahaha funny deck. I think we should think about keeping it because it doesn't care as much about CC. Could be used to counter CC heavy domins that some will use against us.
...or maybe we shouldn't keep it. It has so many counters, even some matchups you think should work suddenly don't if they are piloted right.

1520

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Spoiler for wtfbow 2500:

It's a rush. a balls deep rush.
It has almost DOUBLED in price. wow.

1490

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Spoiler for StealNymphs 1120:

We included this because it works as a rushy stallbreaker...
The problem is, what does this do that another deck doesn't do better? Dark domin feels better in most ways, vulnerable to CC.

1000

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Spoiler for Explosion Wardens 2930:

This deck is amazing, but we need to be less predictable with using it this war. I think the main reason we didn't push on better than 3rd was because we kept playing this when it was expected and countered.
It's expensive, and suffers from heavy CC.

1940

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Spoiler for CataTitan 1650:

Fairly cheap, and an interesting inclusion.
Quite a few counters, and a bit draw dependant.

1270

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Spoiler for Shard Golem 5100:

If we used SoW instead of SoB it could be very viable as a jack of all trades deck
Look at that price. I'd say we can include it but only if we find a use for all of the components in other decks

2840

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Spoiler for General Void 2195:

I want to include this again. Creatureless and quite fun to play. Plus, not gone up too much in price.
A bit draw dependant? I don't care though I like it.

1840

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Spoiler for Speed Poison 2170:

This was a great last war, i'd like to find a place for it. CC is still strong against it, but BW and arsenic mitigates that a bit
Not much wrong here, I think it's a solid deck

1590

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Spoiler for War 9 Decks:

Spoiler for Grabbow 2830:

Meh. Can't do it 40% in element anymore, never liked water grabbow much anyway
With a total rebuild, we could try making a SoP grabbow which makes use of the fact grabbys are immaterial to work vs CC heavy decks.

Cost 2230

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Spoiler for Nymphcord 1620:

Pretty cheap, and a denial deck which we don't have many of
Janky Trio. I think PatientDevs+Trident is faster and generally better, plus harder to shutdown. Also, what is it doing with only 4 NT? If we want to keep it needs rebuilding for better reliability.

Cost 1250

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Spoiler for Patient Wardens 2870:

Should be a staple deck of ours, but NEEDS TRIDENTS. If we want a cheaper version we could run without gemfinders, but the added speed of gems is brilliant and i'd rather not.

Cost 1760

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Spoiler for Steamie Domin 1170:

Super cheap, could be made CC resistant.
I'm happy to cull it if we run out of space, hardly our most surprising or great deck

Cost 1135

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Spoiler for Air Stall 3150:

CC resistant. wings are nice.
Expensive. I feel like with all of the SoP decks we could run, people will be stallbreaking us. If we run this type of deck I'd suggest slimming it a bit, or running a Wings Domin instead.

Cost 2475

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Spoiler for Light Stall 2860:

OK, I don't want THIS light stall, but I do want one. SoDs, morning glories, I really felt late in war last year we made a mistake not including this
Could end up being pricey, and stallbreakers would be an issue

Cost 2640

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Spoiler for Serpentine 1450:

Reasonably cheap, effective deck. Can be easily modded and balanced should we wish. Pseudo denial is nice.

Cost 1185

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Spoiler for Druid Fish 1470:

Suprisingly cheap and unexpected.
doesn't help our 50% in vault restriction. Who would we actually want to use this against bearing in mind what they like to throw against us? Sure, it's unexpected, but if it is countered by the same things that usually counter us then what's the point. Needs thinking about, probably chuck.

Cost 1140

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Spoiler for Patient Vamps 2270:

We could include this in some form, it's a good midrange deck and fairly versatile.
Needs modding. This could be a sideboard deck with voodoos where we could remove either steals, voodoos or cloaks depending on opponent.

Cost 1600

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Spoiler for Speed Poison 1650:

An effective change of pace deck, but I would be SO MUCH better as a SoP deck. Makes it faster, more CC resistant.
Oly think that this has over previous chrys deck is poisons

Cost 1380

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Spoiler for Toadmare Who cares, already covered:

Heavy cost. A good domin. Could be made cheaper with fewer NMs and more damage.
I'm happy to cull if deemed unnecessary.

Cost 1660

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Spoiler for Air Domin 1390:

Cheap, but would only run as a Wings domin.
The problem is, what does this do that another deck doesn't do better? We have better CC decks, this has no PC and is walled easily.

Cost 1150

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[Herden5]

+1 on the Void deck. If I were to rush I would use it. I mostly know how to stall with water so most implemented defensive decks?

[JonathanCrazyJ]

OK, I can't see a reason not to include Patient/Explosion wardens, Chrys/bonewall, SoV and dark domin, so I'm going to put them straight into deck layout.

Another deck I really want this war is light stall, which vagman is kindly working on.

Past that, I'll be looking at each element individually to try to find something we want to use.

[Herden5]

Light stalls are great, also seems light is cheaper than darkness.

[JonathanCrazyJ]

Finished up a draft vault.

Has what is included in deck layout so far, plus:

6 devs for either dev/poseidon or devtal
3 rage pots and 4 steamies for that kind of deck
5 spark for Balltal
spare gemfinders and wardens
3 Pulvies for nymph rainbow and shipbreaker

Missing: grabbys (200), dims (180), Nova (160), Otys and SoFo and... only has 10 SoP. That's sad. means we can run 2 SoP decks and 1 Speedpoison.

next job is to rattle through previous war matchups and see if we have at least 1, preferably 2 decks to use against everyone.

One thing I aksed vaggy to have a go at building is PUgons, but I just don't know how we can fit Dims in when a full set costs 1080 on its own...

[JonathanCrazyJ]

Quite liking this for air. 4 phoenixes would be 480 points. Or could just try to salvage from fire.

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