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[ddevans96]

Our chat is:

http://webchat.ext3.net:9090/ or http://elementscommunity.org/chat/
Channel: #war7water || Key: flayerisboss || Command: /join #war7water flayerisboss

This thread will be used to log conversations held in our chat, so people who weren't in chat can see the discussion that happened, and we can refer to it again if need be.

Be absolutely sure you include the slash in front of the command, with no spaces before it, otherwise the channel and password will be accepted as text instead of a command, and revealed in whatever field you type it in, probably our main channel. That would be very bad.

[EvaRia]

I think an irc channel would be best if you could set that up.

Otherwise we could use some other obscure chat program but that might not be for the best.

[ddevans96]

Freenode (the irc network I intended to use for this) gave me a huge middle finger, so I'll have to figure something else out.

[ddevans96]

I decided to just use ext3, which is the network our community uses by default. Upon joining the network, use this command:

Code: [Select]

/join #war7water flayerisboss
Be absolutely sure you include the slash in front, with no space before it, otherwise the channel and password will be revealed in whatever channel you type it in, probably our main channel, and that would be very bad.

This should be completely hidden and secure as long as we all double and triple check that the command will function as a command and not become text. There are ways I can secure it even more, but they shouldn't be needed yet. If necessary, I will add them later.

The password is just the first random thing I came up with :3

[Drake_XIV]

A safeguard could probably be to head over to #dd-hideout first (or any other channel that is empty) and then use the command.  Just in case.

[ddevans96]

You can actually just use the Status tab, or any PM with a teammate, things I conveniently forgot about. So there should be zero issue there.

[Drake_XIV]

Well, there we go.

[ddevans96]

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[00:09] <EvaRia> http://dek.im/d/z25i4z15ibz45igz25jmz161oz261qz1621z663a7gk7i68088pp
[00:09] <EvaRia> bit rushier
[00:09] <EvaRia> tried it against AI-candlelight
[00:09] <EvaRia> can beat past firebuckler, surprsingly
[00:09] == Drake_XIV [~IRIS@dxnq-93-171-088-032.lsanca.fios.verizon.net] has joined #war7water
[00:09] <EvaRia> hullo!
[00:09] <Drake_XIV> Hullo
[00:10] <ddevans> Needs more control
[00:10] <ddevans> Especially against fire
[00:10] <EvaRia> It's hand dependant
[00:11] <Drake_XIV> Isn't everything?
[00:11] <EvaRia> we can also go PUgons
[00:12] <ddevans> I'd rather run Tears here
[00:12] <EvaRia> I think so too
[00:12] <EvaRia> anyways, we can try both builds
[00:12] <EvaRia> I can somewhat build both
[00:12] <EvaRia> the crazy thing about this deck is that it can run like 8 quake stacks
[00:13] <EvaRia> lol
[00:13] <ddevans> Can we just add a squid and lightning and run 32 cards?
[00:13] <EvaRia> in my version?
[00:13] <ddevans> No, that wouldn't work
[00:14] <ddevans> Yes
[00:14] <EvaRia> uhh we could
[00:14] <EvaRia> I don't think it would be ideal
[00:14] <ddevans> No, it wouldn't be
[00:14] <EvaRia> here, pick a fire deck
[00:14] <EvaRia> I've got your build loaded
[00:14] <EvaRia> I'll try both
[00:14] <ddevans> No, 32 cards is too much
[00:14] <ddevans> Just makes the deck even more inconsistent
[00:15] <EvaRia> yeah
[00:15] <ddevans> It just needs more than 5 CC cards, or any creature deck fire brings will destroy it
[00:15] <EvaRia> not necessarily?
[00:16] <EvaRia> even with just a small speedbump to get going the deck is surprisingly fast
[00:17] <EvaRia> yes, I'm suggesting we try to outrace fire
[00:17] <ddevans> I tested earlier and found the control in my deck to be ideal...there's a couple cards that can be changed, but it doesn't matter how fast the deck is if it can shut down fire's creatures
[00:17] <EvaRia> well, I'll try both builds
[00:17] <EvaRia> I'd rather test than argue
[00:17] <EvaRia> so load something up
[00:18] <ddevans> Give me a deck then
[00:19] <ddevans> I don't know where you get 'argue' from
[00:19] <EvaRia> I don't know either
[00:19] <EvaRia> discuss I guess
[00:19] <EvaRia> http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/board,150.0.html
[00:19] <EvaRia> pick something from round three?
[00:19] <EvaRia> I haven't looked at it, and blind tests are more interesting
[00:21] <ddevans> Just picked one at random
[00:21] <EvaRia> kk
[00:21] <EvaRia> searching
[00:26] <EvaRia> lightnings are so dead in that matchup
[00:26] <ddevans> Testing poisonbolt isn't even relevant to CC-heavy vs damage-heavy
[00:26] <EvaRia> yeah
[00:26] <ddevans> Don't know why I picked it
[00:26] <EvaRia> well, I had a fairly fast hand that time
[00:26] <ddevans> Anyways, what I tested against earlier was actually damage heavy decks - I did better with more control
[00:27] <EvaRia> pick an immorush
[00:27] <ddevans> Immo, notably
[00:27] <EvaRia> though the one deck that will destroy us is fractix
[00:27] <EvaRia> ... or RoL Hope actually
[00:27] <EvaRia> doubt we'll be getting the lieut though
[00:28] <ddevans> I don't see Fire bringing fractix against us for some reason
[00:28] <EvaRia> we have the nightmare deck so
[00:28] <ddevans> Or Aether bringing RoL/Hope
[00:28] <EvaRia> aether likes RoL hope
[00:28] <EvaRia> I'm sure we'll see it in their vault if they find room
[00:28] <EvaRia> it's a strong deck
[00:28] <ddevans> Against us? No
[00:28] <EvaRia> maybe not against us
[00:28] <EvaRia> this is fire we're talking about though
[00:28] <EvaRia> sorry
[00:29] <ddevans> ???
[00:29] <EvaRia> since we were talking fractix I got confused
[00:29] <EvaRia> lol
[00:29] <EvaRia> uhhh
[00:29] <ddevans> Anyways, waiting
[00:35] <EvaRia> that was a pretty bad hand
[00:35] <EvaRia> I probably misplayed though
[00:35] <ddevans> Possibly. Try this matchup again, I think
[00:35] <EvaRia> kk
[00:36] <EvaRia> searching
[00:36] <ddevans> Negotiating
[00:40] <EvaRia> that went better
[00:40] <ddevans> hm, interesting
[00:40] <EvaRia> let me try switching
[00:42] <EvaRia> kk
[00:47] <ddevans> lol this hand
[00:47] <EvaRia> that looked quite unfortunate
[00:47] <ddevans> One more?
[00:47] <EvaRia> but immorushes are like that
[00:47] <EvaRia> sure
[00:51] <ddevans> hm...
[00:51] <EvaRia> tight
[00:51] <ddevans> Could do one more
[00:52] <EvaRia> kk
[00:59] <EvaRia> probably more comfortable with your build
[00:59] <ddevans> 3 squids, 5 lightnings, 2 dims?
[01:00] <EvaRia> let's see
[01:00] <EvaRia> I think 4-5 lightnings is the way to go
[01:00] <ddevans> I'll be on in 4-6 hours, so if there's some loose ends I can tie them up then
[01:00] <EvaRia> oh, our sanc stall
[01:00] <EvaRia> can we cut it to 36ish?
[01:00] <EvaRia> might be easier on our quanta
[01:01] <ddevans> We could
[01:01] <ddevans> I'm not quite sure how though
[01:02] <EvaRia> also, maybe permafrost?
[01:03] <ddevans> Permafrost vs Miracle when you can't do both is a trade off
[01:03] <ddevans> Permafrost might actually be better here
[01:03] <EvaRia> probably
[01:03] <EvaRia> most importantly it tblocks unupped arsenic
[01:03] <ddevans> Since Purifies are going to sort of trivialize poison
[01:03] <ddevans> Yeah
[01:03] <EvaRia> which can be gigantic
[01:03] <EvaRia> even triplw purify isn't enough to stop an early enough arsenic sometimes
[01:04] <EvaRia> it could also run dessi but I don't think it can fit
[01:04] <EvaRia> welp, I'll see if I can wake up early enough to eet the deadline
[01:05] <EvaRia> gn for now
[01:05] <ddevans> Night

[Scaramanga]

My opponent hasnt answered yet.. I might need to play vs a sub.

[ddevans96]

Spoiler for Please comment on this!:

[16:44] <ddevans> Oh, I guess I should ask, any general deck choices?
[16:44] <ddevans> Like what decks to send where
[16:44] <tree_xiii> not sure i'd need the full vault to make an educated guess
[16:45] <tree_xiii> gimme a vault that is close to final and will work it out from there o my stimates
[16:47] <ddevans> Have to know what decks we need before I can discard and convert the right stuff, sadly
[16:47] <tree_xiii> i can be around for 2 hours maybe three then i have lectures all day tomorrow until close to deadline
[16:48] <ddevans> Just, if we had the same decks we had last round, what would we want to send where this round?
[16:48] <ddevans> Just by first instinct
[16:49] <ddevans> Once we decide that, we can use our salvage and discard to fine tune them
[16:49] <ddevans> I'm thinking dims against air or light
[16:49] <tree_xiii> lemme see gimme bout half an hour maybe less and i'll get back to you
[16:50] <ddevans> Alright, sounds good
[17:02] <tree_xiii> right first thoughts
[17:03] <tree_xiii> against dark i'm thinking some form of bow with counter to devtal
[17:03] <tree_xiii> stallbreak against light
[17:03] <ddevans> Dims can be a stallbreaker
[17:03] <ddevans> Dragontal awesome
[17:04] <tree_xiii> entropy's gonna be tricky
[17:04] <tree_xiii> gravy sancstall
[17:04] <ddevans> Sancstall vs Gravy, I can see that. Novas are great against devs, for sure
[17:04] <ddevans> Can try fitting Desis in there, more quanta and can kill devs
[17:04] <tree_xiii> i'm thinking try and rush entropy but watch out for matters
[17:05] <tree_xiii> air i want to say rush but we've gotta bring a counter to wings it has the same effect on us as it does on time
[17:06] <ddevans> Darkness or fire domin then
[17:07] <tree_xiii> sounds strong i think fire domin is more dangerous to air than dark
[17:07] <ddevans> So what I'm thinking is Aether Duo > Light, Sancstall > Gravy, Novas > Darkness, Fire Domin > Air
[17:07] <ddevans> And something for Entropy
[17:08] <ddevans> Gravity's damage is generally really slow, the only thing they have that could really beat a Sanc stall is Catatitans
[17:08] <tree_xiii> i was thinking mono with maybe some form of splash our biggest worry is matters and dbh
[17:09] <ddevans> Same
[17:09] <tree_xiii> our mono should outrush a pony grabbow
[17:09] <ddevans> Might try a really rushy darkness splash for Entropy
[17:09] <ddevans> Just like a standard Tears mono, but splash in darkness for control
[17:09] <tree_xiii> but our best bet is to rush them hard and rush them fast
[17:10] <tree_xiii> they have at least two lobos to hand
[17:10] <tree_xiii> so yes maybe tears but we need some vanilla as well and hope their matters aren't to prominent
[17:11] <tree_xiii> or for added protection those quints might actually come in handy
[17:12] <tree_xiii> if tears rush we need some protection for a nymph that aether tears rush might work
[17:12] <ddevans> Maybe we could splash lightnings and quints against Entropy
[17:12] <ddevans> And run dims and fractal against light
[17:12] <ddevans> Because, in general, lightning isn't great against Light
[17:12] <tree_xiii> yes sounds like a plan
[17:13] <tree_xiii> i'd actually bring a dry spell or two to light just in case god forbid rol/hope
[17:13] <ddevans> Unlike to see that unless we're playing a Lt
[17:14] <ddevans> Unlikely*
[17:14] <tree_xiii> i know that was my first thought rol/hope is gen lieutenatn deck
[17:14] <ddevans> Wait, are we?
[17:15] <tree_xiii> so unless they specifically decide we're taking rol/hope against water we won't see it
[17:16] <tree_xiii> but our first port of call against light is stallbreak that can rush if necessary
[17:18] <ddevans> Yeah
[17:18] <tree_xiii> they are my impressions of our matchups
[17:20] <ddevans> That helps a ton, thank you
[17:21] <tree_xiii> personally if we can get it i would like a tstorm against dark just in case devtal
[17:21] <ddevans> We can't sadly. Have Desis though