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Re: VAULT https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=13941.msg180905#msg180905
« Reply #36 on: October 21, 2010, 04:23:27 am »
OK, we've got like a day to totally rework this.

We need to start with 12x6 Water Pendulums and 12x3 Water Pillars, or 108 total Water pillars/pendulums.  Right off, that leaves us with only 308 other cards to play with.  Here are my thoughts:



Flooding / Inundation                      x0
Nymph Queen | Water Nymph         x0
Ice Shield / Permafrost Shield          x12
Nymph's Tears / Nymph's Tears       x6
Steam Machine | Steam Machine     x6
Purify | Purify                                   x6
Toadfish | Pufferfish                        x24
Arctic Squid / Arctic Octopus            x18
Blue Crawler / Abyss Crawler          x12
Mind Flayer / Ulitharid                     x18
Ice Bolt / Ice Lance                         x24
Trident / Poseidon                          x12
Chrysaora / Physalia                      x18
Freeze / Congeal                            x24
Ice Dragon / Arctic Dragon             x24

=204 :water cards plus the 108 pillars for a total of 312 cards, leaving 104 other cards.




I suggest we start with this list and pare it down to that number:

Earthquake                                    x6
Miracle                                            x6
Forest Spirit                                   x6
Adrenaline                                     x6
Forest Scorpion                             x6
Life Pillar                                       x6
Poison                                           x6
Arsenic                                          x3
Deflagration                                  x6
Minor Phoenix                               x6
Shockwave                                  x9
Fractal                                         x6
Quintessence                              x6
Mindgate                                     x6
Aether Pillar                                 x6
Antimatter                                   x6
Discord                                        x3
Butterfly Effect                            x2
Entropy Pillar                              x3


I think that's exactly 416 cards.   Anyone have any ideas on ways to improve this list?


My one concern is that if a bunch of people lose in the 1st round, we'll run out of Pillars really fast, because we can only convert 1 players worth of pillars per round.  Then again, I'd like to think we can count on not losing so much.

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Re: VAULT https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=13941.msg180935#msg180935
« Reply #37 on: October 21, 2010, 07:20:59 am »
Vault updated with these as new numbers

Water Pillars                                    x36
Water pendulums                            x72
Flooding / Inundation                      x0
Nymph Queen | Water Nymph         x0
Ice Shield / Permafrost Shield          x12
Nymph's Tears / Nymph's Tears       x6
Steam Machine | Steam Machine     x6
Purify | Purify                                   x6
Toadfish | Pufferfish                        x24
Arctic Squid / Arctic Octopus            x18
Blue Crawler / Abyss Crawler          x12
Mind Flayer / Ulitharid                     x18
Ice Bolt / Ice Lance                         x24
Trident / Poseidon                          x12
Chrysaora / Physalia                      x18
Freeze / Congeal                            x24
Ice Dragon / Arctic Dragon             x24
Earthquake                                    x6
Miracle                                            x6
Forest Spirit                                   x6
Adrenaline                                     x6
Forest Scorpion                             x6
Life Pillar                                       x6
Poison                                           x6
Arsenic                                          x3
Deflagration                                  x6
Minor Phoenix                               x6
Shockwave                                  x9
Fractal                                         x6
Quintessence                              x6
Mindgate                                     x6
Aether Pillar                                 x6
Antimatter                                   x6
Discord                                        x3
Butterfly Effect                            x2
Entropy Pillar                              x3

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Re: VAULT https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=13941.msg180947#msg180947
« Reply #38 on: October 21, 2010, 07:43:05 am »
I think, on further consideration, we should switch 3 of those Shockwaves over to Wings.

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Re: VAULT https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=13941.msg180994#msg180994
« Reply #39 on: October 21, 2010, 11:42:42 am »
I think, on further consideration, we should switch 3 of those Shockwaves over to Wings.

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Re: VAULT https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=13941.msg181059#msg181059
« Reply #40 on: October 21, 2010, 02:46:17 pm »

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Re: VAULT https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=13941.msg181099#msg181099
« Reply #41 on: October 21, 2010, 04:16:19 pm »
Doublepost? Eek!

18 Mind Flayers? Why on earth would we ever need so many, especially considering we only have six each of Fractal, Quintessence, Mindgate, and Aether Pillar.

18 Chrysaoras and only 6 Poisons?

12 Tridents and only 6 Earthquakes? We either need fewer Tridents (I think Short Swords are better) or more Earth cards.

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Re: VAULT https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=13941.msg181102#msg181102
« Reply #42 on: October 21, 2010, 04:22:46 pm »
i'd really take 6 wings,they're really good against some elements and water's control can get rid of the airborne creatures easily (i love winged toadfishes :D)
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Re: VAULT https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=13941.msg181109#msg181109
« Reply #43 on: October 21, 2010, 04:37:01 pm »
Yes, I agree with wavedash:

Possible changes:
-6 mind flayer, + 6 poison
-3 trident, +3 short swort

Essence's idea is good too, but 3 wings might be not enough, and with shock wave + toadfish you won't need 6, so:
-4 shock wave, +4 wings (= 20 turns stall)

And I don't think we will need that many dragons, they are just too expensive, so:
-6 Ice dragon, +3 flooding (the are nice against fractal), +3 crawler (a little more early damage)

Also, I really dislike ice lances, because they have the ability to freeze something, but I never use a bolt (fire bolt, ice bolt, drain life) when I don't do enough damage to kill the opponent. (except using drain life on my last turn for more electrum/EM). On the other hand, last war we found ourselves out of squids after the first round, and the first round we used more squids than we had in our vault. This vault has only two squids for each player, so:
-6 ice bolt, + 6 squid.

So, in short:
Take out:
    6 mind flayer3 trident4 shock wave6 Ice dragon
Add in:
    6 poison3 short swort4 wings3 flooding3 crawler
Water Pillars                                    x36
Water pendulums                            x72
Flooding / Inundation                      x3
Nymph Queen | Water Nymph         x0
Ice Shield / Permafrost Shield          x12
Nymph's Tears / Nymph's Tears       x6
Steam Machine | Steam Machine     x6
Purify | Purify                                   x6
Toadfish | Pufferfish                        x24
Arctic Squid / Arctic Octopus            x18
Blue Crawler / Abyss Crawler          x15
Mind Flayer / Ulitharid                     x12
Ice Bolt / Ice Lance                         x24
Trident / Poseidon                          x9
Chrysaora / Physalia                      x18
Freeze / Congeal                            x24
Ice Dragon / Arctic Dragon             x18
Earthquake                                    x6
Miracle                                            x6
Forest Spirit                                   x6
Adrenaline                                     x6
Forest Scorpion                             x6
Life Pillar                                       x6
Poison                                           x12
Arsenic                                          x3
Deflagration                                  x6
Minor Phoenix                               x6
Shockwave                                  x5
Wings                                         x4
Fractal                                         x6
Quintessence                              x6
Mindgate                                     x6
Aether Pillar                                 x6
Antimatter                                   x6
Discord                                        x3
Butterfly Effect                            x2
Entropy Pillar                              x3
Short Sword                                  x3
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Re: VAULT https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=13941.msg181112#msg181112
« Reply #44 on: October 21, 2010, 04:41:16 pm »
Yes, I agree with wavedash:

Possible changes:
-6 mind flayer, + 6 poison
-3 trident, +3 short swort

Essence's idea is good too, but 3 wings might be not enough, and with shock wave + toadfish you won't need 6, so:
-4 shock wave, +4 wings (= 20 turns stall)

And I don't think we will need that many dragons, they are just too expensive, so:
-6 Ice dragon, +3 flooding (the are nice against fractal), +3 crawler (a little more early damage)

Also, I really dislike ice lances, because they have the ability to freeze something, but I never use a bolt (fire bolt, ice bolt, drain life) when I don't do enough damage to kill the opponent. (except using drain life on my last turn for more electrum/EM). On the other hand, last war we found ourselves out of squids after the first round, and the first round we used more squids than we had in our vault. This vault has only two squids for each player, so:
-6 ice bolt, + 6 squid.

So, in short:
Take out:
    6 mind flayer3 trident4 shock wave6 Ice dragon
Add in:
    6 poison3 short swort4 wings3 flooding3 crawler
Water Pillars                                    x36
Water pendulums                            x72
Flooding / Inundation                      x3
Nymph Queen | Water Nymph         x0
Ice Shield / Permafrost Shield          x12
Nymph's Tears / Nymph's Tears       x6
Steam Machine | Steam Machine     x6
Purify | Purify                                   x6
Toadfish | Pufferfish                        x24
Arctic Squid / Arctic Octopus            x18
Blue Crawler / Abyss Crawler          x15
Mind Flayer / Ulitharid                     x12
Ice Bolt / Ice Lance                         x24
Trident / Poseidon                          x9
Chrysaora / Physalia                      x18
Freeze / Congeal                            x24
Ice Dragon / Arctic Dragon             x18
Earthquake                                    x6
Miracle                                            x6
Forest Spirit                                   x6
Adrenaline                                     x6
Forest Scorpion                             x6
Life Pillar                                       x6
Poison                                           x12
Arsenic                                          x3
Deflagration                                  x6
Minor Phoenix                               x6
Shockwave                                  x5
Wings                                         x4
Fractal                                         x6
Quintessence                              x6
Mindgate                                     x6
Aether Pillar                                 x6
Antimatter                                   x6
Discord                                        x3
Butterfly Effect                            x2
Entropy Pillar                              x3
Short Sword                                  x3
the nice thing from ice bolts is,they're cheap control or you can make a stall deck with them (you need 6 phase shields for it)
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Re: VAULT https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=13941.msg181128#msg181128
« Reply #45 on: October 21, 2010, 05:37:35 pm »
Updated the spreadsheet, but Arctic Octopuses cost a shit ton to use.

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Re: VAULT https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=13941.msg181132#msg181132
« Reply #46 on: October 21, 2010, 05:44:32 pm »
Updated the spreadsheet, but Arctic Octopuses cost a shit ton to use.
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Re: VAULT https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=13941.msg181216#msg181216
« Reply #47 on: October 21, 2010, 08:12:49 pm »
Anyone with the link should be able to edit. Also Octopuses cost a lot.

 

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