Round 7 - Main Topic

[JonathanCrazyJ]

I'm up for running Patient Wardens instead, but I worry about wings and gravy shield in that case. The pulvy makes it less reliable, but more versatile. I do understand the concerns however. In fact, i agree, as it would be much, much harder to run without gemfinders. A Patient Wardens with Trident would be much more viable.

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2 Flayers for patient fodder. Rest explains self. My sexy new mark.
Upgrades could use work. do squids need upgraded? pillars/pends better? Could remove a trident if needed elsewhere.

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This is if we want to run a separate domin where we need our toadfishes.

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If we decide to go all out. Though i sort of like the dragon version for extra punch

[Spielkind]

looks good for me. take the dragon grabbow for air with ups.

what now for aether?

[JonathanCrazyJ]

If we do dragon grabbow vs air, we could throw all we have with poisons x4 and chrys x4 with 3 upped toads. Then some ice lances. Problem is if it lost we would be toadless. Ill throw something  together tomorrow  and then decide  tomorrow  night  if a suicide  is the more... pragmatic option. Thanks for  responses  guys

[RulacMage11]

Hm, A Dragon Grabbow with Chry's and Poison sounds wonderful versus air!

The monowater for Entro looks just powerful as the last - No mods needed imo, but someone may disagree.

That Patient Wardens deck looks nice, but I fear that it will lack the speed to full lock earth down unless they get a bad hand?

[JonathanCrazyJ]

the chrys wouldn't be for the air deck. they would be for something like this vs Aether:

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Could, maybe, possibly work. Maybe.
we would also be able to save 2/3 toads if it lost.

[ddevans96]

I have zero confidence in that deck against aether. It'd be slow to damage and slow to control.

I don't really like SoP wardens against earth either. Would much rather use an aether duo there.

[JonathanCrazyJ]

You'd rather Bolt/Silence Patient flayers? Definitely doable.

I have little confidence in that against aether either tbh. It's the best we have though. I'm starting to lean towards Suicide too, because honestly that matchup just sucks for us at this point.

[ddevans96]

Let's just focus on the other three and see where we stand.

The way I see it, we only have the following decks in some form:
-SoP flayers with lightning/silence
-SoP wardens
-pulvy/graboid QTbow (probably our best option against aether)
-grabbow
-bolt/nymph spam mono
-NT/time spam with eternity/water control
-toadmare/darkness domin

Everything else would be severely weakened. These are the only decks we can really run at full strength, and there's a lot of overlap, so realistically we're going to have four decks cutting it very close. There's a few marginal options (death splash, SoP oty, AM splash) as well, but we should avoid those unless absolutely necessary.


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Probably best to go -1 chrys +1 water construct.

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Probably best to go -2 reflective, and then tweak further from there.

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Needs +1 upgrade, probably graboid

[JonathanCrazyJ]

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the last build of SoP flayers. for use against earth

No idea what we do against Air now though

[RulacMage11]

Those Pulvy/Grabbows could work against air if we suicided Aether 

[ddevans96]

I did some thinking in the shower and I'm going to propose a very loose plan:

-QTbow against Aether
-SoP flayers vs Entropy
-Novabow vs Air
-NT/eternity vs Earth

This deviates from the plan thus far, but I think it's worth suggesting anyways. We'd have to think outside the box for that novabow but I definitely think it's doable.

[JonathanCrazyJ]

I really like that, so long as we include something low cost (if we have anything left) to eternity bounce if we come across a wings stall or immortal style stall vs Earth.

I apologise, but my time online until the deadline will be restricted to only 15 mins here and there, I have work until 5:15 and going out for dinner for a Birthday from 6:30. In the gap i need to call clients for my work at the weekend, though I should be on an hour before the deadline.
I have spoken to dd and he is happy to double check the vault before deadine, but if anyone else can do / tweak decks before then that would be most helpful, so as not to put too much strain on dd