Round 6 - Main Topic

[ddevans96]

Current Vault:
This is a more accurate representation of our "Vault". When we build decks, we take cards out of the Standing Vault, and when we finish using the cards, they go back in.
This gives us a better idea of what we actually have available to use.

Spoiler for Cards, prior to salvage and discard (NEEDS UPDATED):

In Element: 41x Water Pillar 26x Water Pendulum 6x Chyrsaora 10x Crawler 4x Freeze 9x Ice Bolt 7x Ice Shield 7x Purify 9x Arctic Squid 4x Trident 3x Dragon 12x Toadfish 2x Mind Flayer 8x Tears 0x Flooding 4x Steammie 3x Dry Spell 6x Queen

Out of Element A: 1x Hammer 2x Amethyst Pillar 2x Entropy Pendulum 2x Lycanthrope 12x Nova 8x Discord 3x Antimatter 3x Arsenic 3x Bone Wall 0x Gravity Pillar 0x Gravity Pendulum 0x Charger 0x Gravity Shield 0x Otyugh 6x Graboid 0x Basilisk Blood 2x Forest Spirit

Out of Element B: 6x Deflagration 2x Immolation 3x Rage Potion 4x Morning Star 6x Miracle 6x Sanctuary 2x Wind Pillar 2x Wind Pendulum 2x Fog Shield 2x Thunderstorm 4x Owl's Eye 5x Shockwave 6x Reverse Time 4x Sundial 3x Steal 2x Stiletto 0x Drain Life 5x Nightmare 3x Lightning 0x Parallel Universe 6x Dim Shield 1x Fractal 2x Silence

Matchups:

20	Gen. ddevans96	willng3
23	Legit	Acsabi44
3	Spielkind	inthisroom
28	treebeard xiii	mrpaper

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Salvaging and Discarding:
This is a list of decks we need to salvage or discard cards from. We need to first accommodate the decks we want to use this round before deciding other salvages.
Cards salvaged or saved from losing decks go back into the Current Vault.

Spoiler for Salvages 6*1=6 :D:

Spoiler for Discards 24*5=120 D::

Spoiler for Event Card (0=0):

Spoiler for Penalties (0):

-none-

Conversions/Transmutations
When we're done with everything else we can decide which cards we want to convert. This way we don't randomly convert cards we might need this round.

Spoiler for Required: X:

Countdowns:
Deckbuilding: Duel phase has started
Battles: Fighting ends!

Event Card:

The relics gained this way cannot be used until next round.

Notes:
Round Thread: >link<

[ddevans96]

Short post: f*ck.

Long post: Alright, this is going to be a long round. We have to basically scrap 5 decks, and save as many water cards from them as possible, so we can build 4 working decks this round. We still have the air stall, from our lone win last round,we have cards for entropy, fire, and aether duos, the RT splash, and if we manage our discards properly, we might be able to field a grabbow, a denialbow, or a mono. We also get to salvage darkness domin cards from time's ghostmare.

I think it's all or nothing at this point - we should take full advantage of that event card. One of my favorite water decks is a 40-card mono, so that's an option, and  we could potentially built a 35-card aether duo, or some other quirky monstrosity if we can find a suitable build and opponent for one.

[treebeard xiii]

scrap time so what have we actually got I can scrap build with the best of them but I need a cardbase. An accurate one at that.

[treebeard xiii]

double post time but this is for our accurate vault.

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Spoiler for vault end of deckbuilding last round:

hammer*1
nova*12
amethyst pillar*2
lycan*2
discord*7
Am*3
entro pend*2
arse*1
grabbie*9
bb*5
forest spirit*2
heal*4
emerald*2
deflag*5
immo*2
rage pot*3
water Pillar*38
soara*2
crawler*10
freeze*4
ice bolt*6
ice shield*7
puri*5
squid*9
trident*8
ice dragon*3
toad*12
flayer*2
tears*8
steamer*4
dry spell*3
queens*6
water pend*38
wind pillar*2
fog*2
tstorm*2
oe*4
sw*5
wings*5
air pend*2
rt*6
steal*3
stiletto*2
nm*5
lightning*3
dim*6
fractal*1
silence*2

[treebeard xiii]

triple post for my suggestions

I'd say send in the steamers for either fire or dark maybe light I we feel the need for stallbreak the upgrades can be changed for light or dark the upped steamers were for eating fires cc

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you said we wanted to save a grabbow of sorts I'd like to suggest champagne maybe send this against light or entropy

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I got this dim duo not sure who to send it against maybe light if we don't send something else their way

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and I'll leave the 40 card mono to you ddevs most of the off-element cards I've used are already in our vault so we can save more of the water cards. I believe I have definitely salvaged 3 novae a grabbie and a flayer from our two bows everything else is in-element rescue.

[ddevans96]

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Played around with your fire and aether builds, I like these. They have 6 upgrades and not 7, because I want the relics so we can use them next round, and make our last handful of decks as powerful as possible - but we could decide to use the extra upgrade instead, or just not use the event card at all. We really need more discussion than last round.

I'd like to send the aether duo against light and the fire duo against darkness - that leaves entropy and fire. I think we should send a bow of some kind (I'm honestly not sure what to think of your bow there, I need to test it more) against fire, and then either a fat mono or something else against entropy.

My issue with this aether duo is it lacks both damage and control. Bringing it down to 30 cards so the fractal is drawn, or rearranging the decks so the aether duo has squids, are options.

[treebeard xiii]

I just immediately went 35 for the ec but as you say it is unnecessary if we don't use the ec I made a champagne version because it worked for us before and it is a strong deck and most teams won't be expecting it because we have only used it once and if it isn't predicted I reckon it is pretty hard to beat.

[ddevans96]

I just immediately went 35 for the ec but as you say it is unnecessary if we don't use the ec

i'm saying we use it to get the relics for next round.

I made a champagne version because it worked for us before and it is a strong deck and most teams won't be expecting it because we have only used it once and if it isn't predicted I reckon it is pretty hard to beat.

First of all, I wouldn't call it a version - it's a totally different deck, Champagne was a denial/control bow, this isn't. But ignoring that, the immolations hinder the deck, because using them early is risky, since you have to sacrifice cards that might actually be useful. At the very least, it needs 5 supernovas. I'll tweak it to be effective.

[treebeard xiii]

I just immediately went 35 for the ec but as you say it is unnecessary if we don't use the ec

i'm saying we use it to get the relics for next round.

I made a champagne version because it worked for us before and it is a strong deck and most teams won't be expecting it because we have only used it once and if it isn't predicted I reckon it is pretty hard to beat.

First of all, I wouldn't call it a version - it's a totally different deck, Champagne was a denial/control bow, this isn't. But ignoring that, the immolations hinder the deck, because using them early is risky, since you have to sacrifice cards that might actually be useful. At the very least, it needs 5 supernovas. I'll tweak it to be effective.

Originally I had the immos in steamers but to potentially give us more in-element salvage from the bows I used them in the bow ofc I derped and forgot the need to sacrifice early I made a mistake I guess I was trying to be too smart with our discards.

[ddevans96]

After some thought, I don't think we can reasonably take advantage of the event card, so let's just go with 30-32 card decks, and use the relics we have somewhere this round.

[Legit]

Salvage 6:

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2 Steal
4 Nightmare

Discard 24 each:

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2 Forest Spirit
4 Heal
2 Emerald Shield
5 Water Pillar
8 Water Pendulum
3 Arctic Squid

Keep 1 Toadfish, 2 Blue Crawler, 2 Ice Dragon, 1 Arctic Squid

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6 Nova
3 Graboid
3 Water Pillar
4 Water Pendulum
3 Freeze
1 Purify
1 Mind Flayer
1 Fog Shield
1 Reverse Time
1 Deflagration
6 Trident

Keep 1 Toadfish, 2 Blue Crawler, 3 others (quanta)

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9 Water Pillar
6 Water Pendulum
3 Nymph's Tears
2 Nymph Queen
3 Ice Shield
3 Nightmare
2 Steal

Keep 2 Vampire Dagger, 4 from above (quanta if possible, nymph cards if we need them instead)

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1 Hammer
1 Lycanthrope
6 Nova
4 Water Pillar
4 Water Pendulum
1 Toadfish
1 Mind Flayer
4 Blue Crawler
1 Deflagration
5 Graboid

Keep 1 Toadfish, 1 Deflagration, 4 other cards (crawlers/quanta)

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5 Basilisk Blood
7 Water Pillar
5 Water Pendulum
2 Purify
1 Nymph Queen
3 Trident

Keep 7 and discard 1 of: 6 Toadfish, 2 Blue Crawler

RIP Grabbows


IDEAS SO FAR:
aether duo vs light


fire duo vs darkness

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darkness duo vs fire (fire will most likely use a stall)

possible entropy duo:

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[ddevans96]

Alright, gang, listen up.

For the most part, I'll be pulling an all-nighter until after the deadline. I'll be spending most of that gaming, eating, building the rest of the decks, inputting everything into the vault, and resting for 20-30 minute intervals - not necessarily in that order. If for some reason I fail at any of this, Legit said he'd be on a couple hours before the deadline, he and any others can finish up. In the meantime, I'll be gaming for the next hour or so, but if someone comes along and wants to input everything from Legit's post above (salvage, discard, fire duo vs darkness, aether duo (6 dims, 3 lightnings, 1 fractal, 2 silences, 2 dragons, 4 crawlers, 6 water pillars, 8 water pends) vs light), darkness domin (2 steals, 4 nightmares, 2 v-daggers, nymph-based damage, 13 quanta, total 30 cards) vs fire, please do so. If any tweaks need to be made afterwards, we will make them.