Round 5 - Main Topic

[ddevans96]

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[ddevans96]

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[ddevans96]

Gonna fill this in later, in the meantime I'm just making it to hold discussion. Also, please check out the Deck Review thread, it's stickied for a reason :3

We should use RT splash against Gravity imo.

[Spielkind]

Gen. ddevans96    treebeard xiii

I would gladly see a monowater nymphrush here, gen ups too good and light to stally. A sofo momentum duo would be nice too.
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Basman-1453    MeowMeowCat

Let RT-Splash them. But plz no tries, just RT and go, no other laggy cards. Eternity vs sofo too slow.
hmm serpentine could do well here too, cause high cost... and can handle sofo.

Espithel    Discord

After loosing vs grav last round guess we have no sancs... so lets grabbow them! Or... how about devouring? WE have devs not? Entropy mostly lacks on entroquanta vs us finding a fast discord, so we could dev steal them with tinkering tears?

RulacMage11    Regyptic

Guess grabow again good, or something high CC and long breath, so bigger stall they could bring... but think we have no enough stall to do this? 6 bolts, 6 freeze, perms shield... sounds good... :)could do warden, trident, bb stuff too... but looks bad vs earth loosing... but we will not loose.

Spielkind    Helston

Would either rush them with Permshield in hand or Stall them with Sundials and Perm, but when not grabbow then monorush, no freaking duos, they too slow. Only a disco in hand would grant a good duo here. or lightnings with silence.
Speedpoison could do well here too. Or toadmare, i love it ^^

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hold 4 flooding, 4 purify, 1 shield, 1 freeze, 2 tears.

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its hard, we need that queen but 1 more deflag too. hold one deflag!

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sadly complete loss... 


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would say both deflags so we have 4 again, and transmutate 2 dumb cards for 1 waterqueen.

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would take 5 grabbys and purify. if not needed for second grabbow we could complete transmutate for queens. but 2 grabbows not bad with lightnings and deflags for 2 grabbows in hand.

[JonathanCrazyJ]

Personally with Salvage Discards, I'd keep 5 AM, 4 Flooding, 2 tears 1 purify and then use Transmutes to get back purifies.

Because previous wars included Pillars and Pends in vault, it discouraged saving off-element cards. now that pillars are not included, it means we are never going to get into a situation of being unable to field legal decks, and can safely discard in-element cards slightly more often, in order to save decks.

I Can't see much point in saving Flooding if we don't save AM, and the rest we have plenty of, or can easily transmute.

I think with a bit of tweaking the AM Flooding could be a really really strong deck against many opponents.

Just my 2

[ddevans96]

Thank you Spiel I'll get the template up soon.

...and can safely discard in-element cards slightly more often, in order to save decks.

I don't really agree, we're already in an uncomfortable situation for a lot of our in-element cards.


I think we should just salvage the bare minimum of what we need. In this case, that'd be 2 deflags, the purify, and 1 graboid, and then we have 2 cards from transmutation. Since we still have 3 adrens, if we choose to run a dedicated adren deck this round, we should salvage two of those as well, but no otherwise.

Entire light duo gets discarded unfortunately. From the steammie duo, save a deflag, so we're still at 4. From the AM/Flooding, save 5 AM, 4 flooding, 2 tears, 1 purify to save the deck, or 3 AM, 2 tears, 3 purify, 2 permafrost, 2 freeze otherwise.

For decks, yeah, we definitely want to use that RT splash without eternities against Gravity. SoP Devs in some form against Entropy sounds good to me, as to both your suggestions for Light, but I'd like other suggestions coming in if possible. For Earth, we probably have a lot of options. An earth stall is an option, but we could also attempt to build an air stall as well. Grabbow would work too but I think they'd be wary of it.

As for Life - Spiel, we almost used Swallow against Life last round, what's your opinion on that matchup, if we don't use SoP elsewhere?

[Basman-1453]

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[RulacMage11]

We definitely want to keep, and salvage some deflags! Let's also save AM/Flooding as it's a really strong deck.

RTSplash vs Gravity is the best option in my opinion, so we should run that.

Swallow vs Life should be strong, and unexpected.

A good devourer deck vs Entro sounds like a wonderful idea!

Do we really want to run Grabbow vs Earth?

[Spielkind]

@dd: swallow could work... but not sure.

[JonathanCrazyJ]

I like RT splash vs Gravity, but I sort of disagree about eternity. It's an amazing weapon if we feel we can afford to run it. Other than that, lots of Crawlers as they are relatively low cost, lots of quanta. Other option is PDials, as the novas can be played immediately before sundials, arsenics etc much more easilly. I quite like PDials as an idea here.

Swallow vs life, yesyes (or AM flooding again because totally unexpected if we run patient devs vs entropy)

Patient Tinkerer Dev/vamps vs entropy oooo i love it! (or PDials or at a push grabbow if we use Swallow vs Life)

Wings Domin vs Earth? Or what about a Wings/Air Nymph tears deck? very minor risk but could pull an outstanding counter if they go either wings bow, or a domin without dragons. I'm happy with grabbow, Pdials, or serpentine too however. I'm just throwing ideas around.

Against Light, Nymph rush works, though I wonder whether they will be hurt by serpentine, and go Wings stall (as they could deckout serpentine simply using wings off the mark) I wouldn't mind a Grabbow with momentums, a silence for wings + grabboid evolve bomb or miracle dodge. Or just a big ballsy "F YOU" to sactuary and go nymphcord.

[ddevans96]

Let's lock in SoP devs vs entropy, swallow vs life, and RT splash (without eternity for now) vs gravy. I'm away from home, probably until after the deadline, so I likely can't do vault stuff and deckbuilding this round.

For light and earth, grabbow and air domin,  respectively, are my preferences.