Round 5 - Main Topic

[rob77dp]

TENTATIVE IDEAS HERE ONLY!!!

Salvaging and Discarding:
This is a list of decks we need to salvage or discard cards from. We need to first accommodate the decks we want to use this round before deciding other salvages.
Cards salvaged or saved from losing decks go back into the Current Vault.

Spoiler for Salvages (6+6+6+6=24):

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5bt 5bt 5c2 5c2 5c2 5c2 5c2 5c2 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 5f4 5f4 5f4 5f4 5f4 5f4 5f7 5f7 5fb 5fb 5fb 5fc 5gi 5gi 5gi 5gi 7ak 7ak 7do 7do 7f2 7f2 8po

Take: 2 Emerald Shield (to give us some kind of reflect option against aether?), 1 Rage Potion (eh, could go +1 Heal as either likely hangs around to be convert/transmute fodder), and 3 Heal (for the life-bow option)

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4vh 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 52q 590 590 590 590 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f6 5f6 5fc 5fc 5fc 5og 7dr 7dr 7dr 7dr 7gq 7gq 8pm

Take: 5 Nova (to replace the lost Nova from the Chrysadials loss) and 1 Arsenic (to re-build the Death Duo)

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4sm 58o 58o 58o 593 593 593 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 622 622 622 622 77a 77a 77a 77a 78q 78q 78q 80d 80d 80d 80l 80l 8pu

Take: 6 Earth Pendulum (for Transmutation into 3 Chrysaora to make the Death Duo)

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52g 52g 52g 52h 534 534 534 542 542 542 542 542 542 542 542 542 542 542 542 542 542 542 5oi 5oo 5oo 5oo 5oo 5oo 713 713 713 7n5 7n5 7n5 8pr

Take: 3 Death Pillar and 3 Death Pendulum (opens up ability to make a BW/Grey Nymph-NT duo or convert/transmute fodder)

Spoiler for Discards (-24-24=-48):

against

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4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i5 5i5 5i5 5i5 5ib 5jm 5jm 5jm 5jm 5jm 5rp 5rp 5rp 71a 71a 71a 71b 71b 71b 7dm 7gr 7gr 8pk

All discard except: 1 Chrysaora, 2 Arsenic, and 3 Bonewall

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5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i8 5i8 5i8 5i8 5i8 5i8 5ia 5ia 5io 5io 5jm 5jm 5jm 5jm 5jm 5jm 5jm 5jm 5jm 5lh 5lh 5lm 5lm 5lm 5lm 5lm 5lm 7gp 7gp 7gp 7k2 7k2 7k2 8pq

All discard except: 2 Nymph Queens, 3 Ice Bolts, 3 Ice Shield, and 8 total Pillar/Pendulum

Spoiler for Event Card (0=0):

DNU.

Spoiler for Penalties (0):

-none-

Conversions/Transmutations
When we're done with everything else we can decide which cards we want to convert. This way we don't randomly convert cards we might need this round.

Spoiler for Required: X:

Transmutation

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5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 8pp

Into 3 Chrysaora

Conversion

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TBD

TBD.

Resulting Vault from Suggestions

Spoiler for Cards, prior to salvage and discard:

In Element: 35x Water Pillar 16x Water Pendulum 6x Chyrsaora 10x Crawler 4x Freeze 6x Ice Bolt 7x Ice Shield 5x Purify 6x Arctic Squid 4x Trident 3x Dragon 12x Toadfish 2x Mind Flayer 8x Tears 0x Flooding 4x Steammie 3x Dry Spell 6x Queen

Out of Element A: 1x Hammer 2x Amethyst Pillar 2x Entropy Pendulum 2x Lycanthrope 12x Nova 8x Discord 3x Antimatter 3x Death Pillar 3x Death Pendulum 3x Arsenic 3x Bone Wall 0x Gravity Pillar 0x Gravity Pendulum 0x Charger 0x Gravity Shield 0x Otyugh 6x Graboid 0x Basilisk Blood 2x Forest Spirit 2x Emerald Shield 3x Heal

Out of Element B: 5x Deflagration 2x Immolation 4x Rage Potion 2x Morning Star 3x Miracle 0x Sanctuary 2x Wind Pillar 2x Wind Pendulum 2x Fog Shield 2x Thunderstorm 4x Owl's Eye 5x Shockwave 6x Reverse Time 1x Sundial 3x Steal 2x Stiletto 0x Drain Life 5x Nightmare 3x Lightning 0x Parallel Universe 6x Dim Shield 1x Fractal 2x Silence

[ddevans96]

Updated with all the stuff. We get Afda again, and Earth/Light/Death/Entropy/Time.

We can consider sending a life deck against air - jade shield is anti UG, some squids to help against creature damage, NT to outlast a stall maybe.

Have to note that since both of Aether's 6-0 rounds got invalidated, we get Serpentine back.

[treebeard xiii]

still unsure as to why aether lost their 6-0 rounds.
that aside
my now better suggestions for deck assignment go like this

time I am never sure on time decks I've used it as support but never as a main element. but trawling through their decks in a wings duo/stall is a possibility that would be a strong runner against most of their decks. On the other hand we could go for a bow of some description here.

Earth I think we should gen rush them down I wouldn't send entro duo again at least not yet

I'd like to leave entro building to someone else I have no confidence in my entro knowledge anymore I'll give opinions here but I'll leave deck assignment to someone else

Tiko again from death it won't be such an easy matchup this round I'm sure tiko will make absolutely sure he has a key role in that deck this round.

air I could go for a life duo/bow depending on how likely we feel they will use ugs we could champagne but they will have a stronger variation if they choose it.

Light hmm unsure here they pulled a fast one on us last time and I'd predict another stall heading our way.

[rob77dp]

still unsure as to why aether lost their 6-0 rounds.

Alright, making this very clear. We will not post speculation about the massive Aether penalty publicly, either on forums or in chat. We will put ourselves above that drama.

Fact is that's how it is going to be, so we move forward with it (per dd's statement on the Atlantis topic).
 

[Spielkind]

oh guys, sorry for no good input here, but i´m ill and my head is knocking me out... will try to get some sleep and when me got an idea will post, but honestly now i´ve no clue... except that rabbid will loose again.  8)

[Legit]

Apologies but I am unable to help until about 16 hours before the deadline, after which I have nothing but free time. I will be helpful then, you know how I do things.

[ddevans96]

Wings domin/stall against time sounds like a good plan, as does rushing earth. I'd like to move forward with both of those if we can't find any other suggestions. I don't want the rush to be mono, though, so we'd have to find another fast deck.

For light, something with heavy NT usage to stallbreak should be good.

Assuming we use a life duo/bow against air, that just leaves entropy and death. With death, 3 purifies+CC+NT should beat almost anything they can bring, so we really just need a solution for entropy. I actually think we should send a control-oriented grabbow against them.

[ddevans96]

Prototype life decks:

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5c1 5c1 5c2 5c2 5c2 5c2 5c4 5c4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5ib 5ib 5ib 5ib 5jm 5jm 5jm 5jm 7gm 7gm 7gm 7gt 7gt 7i6 7i6 7i6 7i6 8pn

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4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 5c1 5c1 5c2 5c2 5c2 5c4 5c4 5ib 5ib 5ib 5ib 5jm 5jm 5jm 5jm 7dm 7gm 7gm 7gm 7gm 7i6 7i6 7i6 80a 8pn

I feel like the duo is more consistent than the bow.

Prototype fat air stall:

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5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5ib 5ib 5ib 5ib 5ib 5ib 5ig 5ig 5ig 5ig 5jm 5jm 5jm 5jm 5jm 5jm 5oh 5oh 5on 5on 5on 5on 5on 5oo 5oo 5oo 5oo 5oo 7i6 7i6 7i6 7n5 7n5 7n5 8pr

Could also use a slimmer deck, I kind of just quickly built something and this is what it came out to.

[treebeard xiii]

right opinions on the decks ddevs suggested.

for the two life decks I have to agree with the duo that bow doesn't seem very bow like but if we are going grabbow against entro then thats where our more valuable bow cards would go.

as for the air duo I was more thinking of a variation of valkyrie maybe about 35 cards to act as a pseudo stall that way unless they go all out stall we should have an answer to just bout everything they got toads are nice because they are the same strength beaters as the nymphs but don't cost a fortune to replay while cost us a quanta source

Something like this maybe

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the issue with not using mono to rush earth just looking through we don't have all that much fast unless we can afford a control grabbow against entropy and a rush grabbow against earth but that might be spreading our bow cards a little thin.

[Malignant]

Vs. Earth	They will either use a rush or that damn Stoneskin/Miracle deck So... something
Vs. Light	Nymphs stuff seems good, possibly with Towers/upped Pends if we fear Rage Elixirs
Vs. Death	lolpurify Maybe if we're crazy enough we can salvage sum Wings and use it here~
Vs. Entropy	Grabbow seems fine but I'm not sure about the Poseidons, with the possibility of Nova, Mark cards, etc.
Vs. Air	Life duo Maybe even with Jade Shields instead :P
Vs. Time	An Air duo seems fine, but I think they might use that deck with Fractal Dragons/GotP. Doubt they have any PUs. So maybe with a ton of Squiddies

[ddevans96]

Heh, no problem Mal, just finish those thoughts when you get home today xD

[ddevans96]

tree, two things with your air deck:

1) We only have two thunderstorms
2) Testing (-1 TS +1 SW +1 water pillar) shows it to be massively underquanta'd, and the toadfish just aren't really useful in a stall

As such, I think we should either go with a sheer stall closer to mine, or a slim deck with toads meant for damage, not a hybrid - if we do attempt a hybrid, it's straining quanta enough where it should probably be ~40 cards as well.

Everyone that's not tree, we really need more discussion to work with now.