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Round 5 - Main Topic https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=56590.msg1165520#msg1165520
« on: November 10, 2014, 11:20:06 am »
Current Vault:
This is a more accurate representation of our "Vault". When we build decks, we take cards out of the Standing Vault, and when we finish using the cards, they go back in.
This gives us a better idea of what we actually have available to use.
Spoiler for Cards, prior to salvage and discard:
In Element:
41x Water Pillar
26x Water Pendulum

6x Chyrsaora
10x Crawler
4x Freeze
9x Ice Bolt
7x Ice Shield
7x Purify
9x Arctic Squid
4x Trident
3x Dragon
12x Toadfish
2x Mind Flayer
8x Tears
0x Flooding
4x Steammie
3x Dry Spell
6x Queen
Out of Element A:
1x Hammer

2x Amethyst Pillar
2x Entropy Pendulum
2x Lycanthrope
12x Nova
8x Discord
3x Antimatter

3x Arsenic
3x Bone Wall

0x Gravity Pillar
0x Gravity Pendulum
0x Charger
0x Gravity Shield
0x Otyugh

6x Graboid
0x Basilisk Blood

2x Forest Spirit
Out of Element B:
6x Deflagration
2x Immolation
3x Rage Potion

4x Morning Star
6x Miracle
6x Sanctuary

2x Wind Pillar
2x Wind Pendulum
2x Fog Shield
2x Thunderstorm
4x Owl's Eye
5x Shockwave

6x Reverse Time
4x Sundial

3x Steal
2x Stiletto
0x Drain Life
5x Nightmare

3x Lightning
0x Parallel Universe
6x Dim Shield
1x Fractal
2x Silence

Matchups:
24:water Gen. ddevans96:earth Brusterix
23:water Legit:light rem4life
17:water Malignant:death Tiko
22:water Spielkind:entropy RavingRabbid
12:water rob77dp:air Gen. Afdarenty
16:water treebeard xiii:time propheon
Spoiler for Decks:

Salvaging and Discarding:
This is a list of decks we need to salvage or discard cards from. We need to first accommodate the decks we want to use this round before deciding other salvages.
Cards salvaged or saved from losing decks go back into the Current Vault.
Spoiler for Salvages (6+6+6+6=24):
vs :life
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vs :fire
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vs :earth
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Spoiler for Discards (-24-24=-48):
against :air
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against :darkness
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Spoiler for Event Card (0=0):
DNU.
Spoiler for Penalties (0):
-none-

Conversions/Transmutations
When we're done with everything else we can decide which cards we want to convert. This way we don't randomly convert cards we might need this round.
Spoiler for Required: X:




Countdowns:
Deckbuilding: Duel phase has started
Battles: Fighting ends!

Event Card:

Post a topic in your secret section stating how many relics you choose.
You cannot store more relics than you currently have. You also cannot store relics which you use this round.
You will get twice as many relics at the beginning of the deckbuilding phase of Round 10.

Notes:
Round Thread: >link<

Edit:  rob77dp input discard and salvage decks.
Edit:  rob77dp updated vault card counts coming into R5.
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Re: Round 5 - Main Topic https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=56590.msg1165521#msg1165521
« Reply #1 on: November 10, 2014, 11:29:08 am »
Starting this one earlier, because this round is going to be tough. I cannot be here an hour before the deadline, so I'd like to have everything done the night before, if possible, and get discussion started ASAP.

So far, we're 3-1, and we discard from the sanc stall (sorry tree), and we salvage from a fire novagrabbie (yay, more novas), a gimpy earth dim/fractal deck, and a death/wings duo (yay, wings).

I think, tree, that if we just salvage quanta from earth, we can talk about building a viable NT-earth deck like the ones you like, if we can agree that we have a good place to use it, otherwise it's basically conversion fodder. Psions for an aether duo or golems for a Trident duo are options as well.

From air, we can also consider building a better air duo than the one we won this round, from that salvage, also getting the AW to splash into the death duo or something could be good. Also, recluses and/or death nymphs to beef up the death duo are possibilities.

From fire, we get more grabbow or chrysadials parts if we need them (GO SPIEL AND MAL, WIN), also there's purifies for us. Otherwise that's conversion fodder as well.
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Re: Round 5 - Main Topic https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=56590.msg1165538#msg1165538
« Reply #2 on: November 10, 2014, 01:22:45 pm »
make that 3-2 which is a problem again tonnes more discards than salvage this none increasing salvage really does harm teams who haven't done too well. Which means half if not all our salvage is going to be forced into conversion fodder. we now have no choice we have to beat life or we are in serious trouble. I'd like to be able to add another deck to our vault this round but currently I believe we can't I haven't done the maths but currently we 48 discards and only 18 salvage. So unless we can think of a counter from our salvage I'm grudgingly going to have to agree with ddevs and say most of our salvage will have to be conversion fodder.
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Re: Round 5 - Main Topic https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=56590.msg1165539#msg1165539
« Reply #3 on: November 10, 2014, 01:39:08 pm »
double post due to a different subject.

Sadly yes ven with my scrounging skills our sanc duo is beyond saving we will have to basically scrap it and hope to acquire a new version through further salvage maybe get rid of those ice bolts and puris to round of the discards we still have 3 puris from the air duo I won with. the last 5 I'm unsure but quanta means we don't necessarily have to use all our salvage to make the vault legal again. What we want to keep are the queens and the perms we need our shield. Partly because we are going to have to field a mono this round or next and I want to keep our perms for that.

from chrysadials I'm going to have to say most of the off-element cards if we can try and keep some of the death cards so we don't lose two deck from one discard but if not we're going to have to sacrifice the chrysa duo which means we might as well discard the soaras as well we only need a couple in a different water bow. Well basically we want to keep 2-3 of the squids and some quanta.
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Re: Round 5 - Main Topic https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=56590.msg1165663#msg1165663
« Reply #4 on: November 11, 2014, 12:25:35 am »
We beat Life - they ran a heal firestall. I really want to test a lifebow against aether - jades for psions, desis for recluses, PC for dims, some heals and forest spirits to round out the life quanta, then fill the deck up with our stuff. I know it sounds crazy, but maybe crazy is what we need against them, so I'm just putting the idea on the table.
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Re: Round 5 - Main Topic https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=56590.msg1165664#msg1165664
« Reply #5 on: November 11, 2014, 12:28:26 am »
We beat Life - they ran a heal firestall. I really want to test a lifebow against aether - jades for psions, desis for recluses, PC for dims, some heals and forest spirits to round out the life quanta, then fill the deck up with our stuff. I know it sounds crazy, but maybe crazy is what we need against them, so I'm just putting the idea on the table.

what rough build you got in mind. I might be able to give feedback not to experienced with water life bows. BTW how do you know we got aether this round?
« Last Edit: November 11, 2014, 12:35:42 am by treebeard xiii »
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Re: Round 5 - Main Topic https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=56590.msg1165666#msg1165666
« Reply #6 on: November 11, 2014, 12:32:57 am »
We beat Life - they ran a heal firestall. I really want to test a lifebow against aether - jades for psions, desis for recluses, PC for dims, some heals and forest spirits to round out the life quanta, then fill the deck up with our stuff. I know it sounds crazy, but maybe crazy is what we need against them, so I'm just putting the idea on the table.

what rough build you got in mind. I might be able to give feedback not to experienced with water life bows

I have a "River-bow" from BL experiences I can dig up later tonight...  Not sure it fits the bill but it is life-water and bow :)
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Re: Round 5 - Main Topic https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=56590.msg1165667#msg1165667
« Reply #7 on: November 11, 2014, 12:36:34 am »
OP updated with salvages and discards - note that life can choose to deny us salvage, due to that being our second sub, in which case we'll modify that accordingly.

We beat Life - they ran a heal firestall. I really want to test a lifebow against aether - jades for psions, desis for recluses, PC for dims, some heals and forest spirits to round out the life quanta, then fill the deck up with our stuff. I know it sounds crazy, but maybe crazy is what we need against them, so I'm just putting the idea on the table.

what rough build you got in mind. I might be able to give feedback not to experienced with water life bows

I have a "River-bow" from BL experiences I can dig up later tonight...  Not sure it fits the bill but it is life-water and bow :)

Yep, please do - as an anti-aether build, we want Jades in there, but if we like it enough to send it elsewhere, we could swap those out.
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Re: Round 5 - Main Topic https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=56590.msg1165819#msg1165819
« Reply #8 on: November 12, 2014, 06:38:30 am »
We beat Life - they ran a heal firestall. I really want to test a lifebow against aether - jades for psions, desis for recluses, PC for dims, some heals and forest spirits to round out the life quanta, then fill the deck up with our stuff. I know it sounds crazy, but maybe crazy is what we need against them, so I'm just putting the idea on the table.

what rough build you got in mind. I might be able to give feedback not to experienced with water life bows

I have a "River-bow" from BL experiences I can dig up later tonight...  Not sure it fits the bill but it is life-water and bow :)


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Re: Round 5 - Main Topic https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=56590.msg1165820#msg1165820
« Reply #9 on: November 12, 2014, 06:42:01 am »
Ah, okay, so just Spirits from life. Definitely going to have to heavily modify it, but it's a start.
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Re: Round 5 - Main Topic https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=56590.msg1165826#msg1165826
« Reply #10 on: November 12, 2014, 07:11:10 am »
Current discussion in chat about sanc stall discard has led to this: Keep 3 ice bolts, 2 queens, 3 shields, 8 quanta. discard everything else. Subject to more discussion.
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Re: Round 5 - Main Topic https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=56590.msg1165832#msg1165832
« Reply #11 on: November 12, 2014, 07:40:43 am »
Yay, triple post.

Discard (especially from chrysadials), salvage, transmuting from salvage, and conversion this round are very important, because they decide whether we can use the following decks, and if we do, how we build them:

Light duo
Life duo/bow
Death duo
Earth duo

They also affect the grabbow, and aether/fire/air duos. As such, we cannot fully decide these before knowing our matchups, and we have to choose whether or not to assign these possible decks, and discard/transmute/covert the ones we don't assign. However, rob is laying a potential plan, that's very tentative, and subject to change depending on these assignments.
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