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Re: Round 4 - Decks https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25322.msg323717#msg323717
« Reply #12 on: April 30, 2011, 09:08:22 pm »
A possibility for Nils in the case of Fractix (15-0):

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Needs 2 titanium shield salvages from $$$man's deck.
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Re: Round 4 - Decks https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25322.msg324151#msg324151
« Reply #13 on: May 01, 2011, 01:59:45 pm »
 :darkness Darkness:

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This deck had the best overall win rate so far; 5-7 games against all darkness decks, with 60-70%+ win rate. Some more testings may be necessary (Like the OE is still a theory, could be swapped for more pillar/toad/bolt)

Playing this deck needs some precognition, which means:


 :timemark This means Ghostmare is coming at you. But don't worry, you have plenty enough of CC to get rid of all 6 Ghost they might bring. Sadly, you cannot counter the nightmares, besides keeping your hand as full as you can. Play your Toads one by one, and only if you'll have enough quanta next round to play them again, and never discard ghosts, only if you must - if you leave them in your hand, the next nightmare won't hurt you as much (and won't heal your opponent in the same time). Count the RTs and Nightmares cast. If they played ~4, their hand is probably almost empty by now, and you have a steady quanta income, play more Toads if you can; when you reach this state, you can easily outdamage him. And never forget, reaching 10 quanta means you can kill a Ghost with a bolt too. Without them, they can't kill you. These games can be very slow and boring..


 :earthmark This is tricky, as it can be two sided: Could be a denialbow or a simple grabbow. Play your pillars/pends smart and slowly, you'll know by round 3 which one will it really be. If grabs are showing up, have a deep breath and start the massacre: Bolts, shockwaves, infect can handle them well. Sooner or later you can deal back the damage they caused multiple times without resistance (maybe fog).
If it's a denial, then prepare for a very slow game again *sigh*and start gathering your power. 2 Pillars and one pend is enough to beat this ugly deck, keep the rest in your hand in case of an earthquake. Use bolts for devourers, keep shockwaves for gargoyles or dragons. This deck has many CC, so play your Toads one by one again; they possibly don't have more than 4 (mostly RT and lightning) so if they've emptied their capabilities, play accordingly. As I said, very slow and nerve wrecking games, but you have the upper hand.


 :gravitymark Here comes the worst of all. This will be a very tough fight, and you'll need some luck too to be victorious here. Drop all you pillars/tower, you'll need them: gather as much as quanta as you can before the first Dolls pop up. Wait with the toads yet. If you reached 10+, you're starting good. you can wait until acceleration reaches 4-6, but not a single moment after that, getting rid of dolls will  alsohurt you as much. Ice bolt+shockwave combo is the key, never infect dolls; if you can't pull out the combo, just try to freeze them with 10+ quanta (preferably 20+). Also, keep in mind, that they'll most likely to have gravity pull too, so count the possible damage that's redirected to you before pressing Done!!! - Use CC if you can get away with some +hp that way.




There could be some possible combinations of the ones above, something like mini sha'kars, but they are most likely to be flawed enough designs to easily overcome. Also, I left out Adrenavamps, which is entirely luck based, as how soon does your opponent play Cloak. If he does not have any cloak, vampires are not a problem of course.
All in all: play, play and play! Get used to it, and try yourself against the type of decks above - and do mods for your liking. JUST WIN THIS GODDAMN MATCH! :]
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Re: Round 4 - Decks https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25322.msg324536#msg324536
« Reply #14 on: May 01, 2011, 08:43:21 pm »
Not a suggestion, just dropping here for further adjusments; possible Water/Light stall after our current discards, may worth it to bring against air again.

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Try it and suggest.
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Re: Round 4 - Decks https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25322.msg324610#msg324610
« Reply #15 on: May 01, 2011, 10:24:36 pm »
My deck against light:
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Re: Round 4 - Decks https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25322.msg324644#msg324644
« Reply #16 on: May 01, 2011, 10:51:56 pm »
My possible deck against :gravity Gravity, if we somehow manage to save some poisons for me.
Destroyed all of their decks so far:

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Re: Round 4 - Decks https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25322.msg324798#msg324798
« Reply #17 on: May 02, 2011, 04:16:29 am »
My possible deck against :gravity Gravity, if we somehow manage to save some poisons for me.
Destroyed all of their decks so far:

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Seems like a great idea, we should def. save the poisons for this...

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Re: Round 4 - Decks https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25322.msg325176#msg325176
« Reply #18 on: May 02, 2011, 07:39:57 pm »
With 7 of 8 decks ready, and salvaging/discarding/converting done:

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Re: Round 4 - Decks https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25322.msg325292#msg325292
« Reply #19 on: May 02, 2011, 09:48:14 pm »
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Well Tiko, this deck works great, but sadly, we don't have any phoenixes left in our vault, so it has to be changed (or vin's deck has to be changed)

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4-0 against adrenastaffs
3-0 against Unstable Grabby
1-1 against air/light stall <- not significant, both awful draws, and on both sides
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Re: Round 4 - Decks https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25322.msg325305#msg325305
« Reply #20 on: May 02, 2011, 10:03:04 pm »
We should leave Vin's deck alone after all the tests he made. And I see we don't have enough deflags either.. sad. So we're back to the original ideas, like: Trident/Tridentbow, Discord, or something with Dim shield.. without bolts and toads.
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Re: Round 4 - Decks https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25322.msg325647#msg325647
« Reply #21 on: May 03, 2011, 07:05:46 am »
Something like this?

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Didn't test it a lot but the reflective will help against UG.
The deflag can be used against Owls Eye or Wings, the momentum makes a complete wings lockdown impossible.
It feels a little tight on quanta though.


Warning, we are still using too much ice bolts
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Re: Round 4 - Decks https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25322.msg325680#msg325680
« Reply #22 on: May 03, 2011, 09:18:42 am »
Updated first post; please try your deck before going into duel; and win. Failure is not an option.
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Re: Round 4 - Decks https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25322.msg325693#msg325693
« Reply #23 on: May 03, 2011, 09:41:13 am »
Decks as they are now (including SDPC):

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Ok, we are ready to go.
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