Round 4

[JonathanCrazyJ]

Schedule

Deckbuilding Duel phase has started

Duels Fighting ends!

JCJ vs Vineroz: Monday 13:00 GMT
Spiel vs Odii Odsen: Saturday guess around 14GMT
Manuel vs blacksmith: Saturday 11 a.m

Match-Ups



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Decks

This will be updated as we discuss, and then with the final decks that have been put in the vault. However, when it comes to your match, take your deck directly FROM THE VAULT, not from here, and not from any other save file, or building in game.

Spoiler for JCJ Gen vs Time:

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596 596 596 596 596 4sp 5i4 5j2 5j2 5j2 5j2 5ib 5ib 5ib 5ib 778 77e 77e 77e 77e 77e 77e 77f 77f 6r9 6r9 6r9 7gk 7gk 7gk 8pl

Spoiler for Manuel Lt. vs Earth:

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5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5jm 5jm 5ie 5ie 5ie 5ie 5v1 5v1 5v1 5up 5up 5up 7gk 7gk 7i6 7i6 7gm 7gm 7gm 7gm 7gm 7gm 7tb 7tb 8pt

Spoiler for RR +ups vs Death:

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5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5ig 5ig 5ig 5ig 5ig 5ig 5oc 5oc 5oc 5oc 5oc 5oc 5oc 7gk 7gk 7gk 7gk 7ms 7ms 7ms 7n8 7n8 7n8 8po

Spoiler for Spiel tinker vs Gravity:

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55k 55k 55k 55k 55k 55k 576 576 576 576 576 576 576 55t 55t 55r 55r 55r 4sp 5ib 5ib 5ib 752 752 752 752 7hi 7hi 7hi 7hi 8pp

Spoiler for Gin -discards vs Air:

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5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5jm 5if 5if 5if 5j2 5j2 5j2 5j2 5ib 5ib 5ib 5ib 5ib 5ib 5i9 5i9 622 7gk 7gk 7gk 7gk 7gk 7i6 7gt 80i 8pu

Salvage and Discard

Spoiler for Discard From:

We must Discard 4 cards from the vault, along with:

Discard 9

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Spoiler for Discards:

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Salvage 6

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Salvage 6

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Salvage 6

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5um 5um 5up 5up 5up 622 622 622 622 63a 63a 63a 63a 63a 63a 63a 63a 63a 7t6 7t6 7t6 7t6 7tb 7td 7td 7td 81q 81q 81q 81q 8pt

Salvage 6

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[JonathanCrazyJ]

This round looks tasty. MMmmm tasty, tasty round.

Lets's sort decks out first, and then address the event card relic machine.


Initial Ideas

 : Wardens, Toadmare could be strong
 : Wardens, speedpoison, Am flooding if we think they'll go fractal, maybe even nova-patience
 : i'd like to look at this closely, but i wonder about speedpoison, or fractal dims with purify
 : Sofo and nova patience both solid options
 : I want to run shard golems this time, see what happens, but open to other ideas

[JonathanCrazyJ]

Explosion Wardens vs Time:

5 - 0 vs patient scarabs
3 - 2 vs instosis
3 - 2 vs Void(nova version)
4 - 1 vs Void(version they used earlier in war)
3 - 2 vs Chaos Dunes

I'm happy with this for now here

[Manuel]

jonathan if u post all the five  decks used i can do more tests, same for other elements

[JonathanCrazyJ]

jonathan if u post all the five  decks used i can do more tests, same for other elements

cool all I am doing is using the tools I made in water board.

For our decks I am getting them from deck layout
For opponents decks i am getting them either from All Decks used This War or Previous match-ups

Also, I just realised, the winrate against almost all of those decks would increase using pulverizer instead of explosions. With gen ups Shipwrecker becomes the better option, as they have very rarely packed PC.

Shipwrecker vs time:

5 - 0 vs patient scarabs
4 - 1 vs instosis (literally if you draw pulvy in top half of deck, you win.)
5 - 0 vs Void(nova version)
4 - 1 vs Void(version they used earlier in war)
4 - 1 vs Chaos Dunes (this was just better RNG to be fair)

[Manuel]

toadmare vs 

vs sopa scarab/deja 5-0
vs chaos dunes 4-1 but 4 match was terrible draws for dunes/unlucky dis'shuffle and so on, probably need more testing

tried to play against sov decks, but even without the bug in cygnia toadmare simply destroy any kind of sov deck

will try shard golem vs 

[RavingRabbid]

I think Time is still keeping ghostmare as a secret weapon deck
We ran a lot of decks that were tight on quanta, had some odd balance or things. So from Earth I'd expect a denial, possibly EQs, coming in. I'd think a Novaboid/EQ deck, probably.
Death won with 4 defensive decks last round. This is my own match, and I don't like playing CataTitan too much, but it sounds like a good plan. They actually fielded 5 defensive last round. Not much PC has come by them anyway.
I have no idea for at the moment.
I'd be tempted to call for Devourers again against ,  but maybe they'll come prepared this time. I still like my denial vs them. Nymphcord?

[JonathanCrazyJ]

I think Time is still keeping ghostmare as a secret weapon deck

Good point, i went and tested Shipwrecker against Ghostmare and got 4-1
We ran a lot of decks that were tight on quanta, had some odd balance or things. So from Earth I'd expect a denial, possibly EQs, coming in. I'd think a Novaboid/EQ deck, probably.
This is quite likely, i think grabbow of some sort has to be expected
Death won with 4 defensive decks last round. This is my own match, and I don't like playing CataTitan too much, but it sounds like a good plan. They actually fielded 5 defensive last round. Not much PC has come by them anyway.

hmm true, except they rushed us last time. needs some thought
I have no idea for at the moment.

i have a half-formed thought, more later
I'd be tempted to call for Devourers again against ,  but maybe they'll come prepared this time. I still like my denial vs them. Nymphcord?

actually we could do that, yeah, especially as I want to use patient wardens vs Time so we cant run nova-patience

Nice thoughts, cool

[Manuel]

shard golem vs 

vs ug nymph 5-0, only one was close
vs stall 4-1 with two times 1 pillar start for air stall, and one time can't draw miracles, need more test
vs wise wyrms3-2 but is based on who win the coinflip in most cases
vs patient squids and damsels 1-4 for winning u need one congeal + sofree in your hand and do a lot of other things

i don't even try to test vs rewind damsel

testing is funny lol, will do more things tomorrow

[JonathanCrazyJ]

excellent manuel, that's really helpful!

[JonathanCrazyJ]

putting this here so I don't forget it.

Idea for air

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[Manuel]

^against air

vs air nymphs 2-3, early shockwaves really hurts and slow down the deck a lot because u are forced to play oty+sopa together, but a better score is possible
vs light stall 5-0
vs wise wyrms 1-4, other than winning the first game when your opponent doesn't know that u run reflective shield u will be outrushed by only one wyrm with quint
vs patient squids&damsels 3-2, all matches based on who draw squids/oty first and if your opponent is able to play 2 cc cards together
vs monoair lol rip

can test later against other match up