Round 3 - Main Topic

[ddevans96]

That idea looks great! But can use 2 nymphs 3 tears not?
Have 1 mark to make the split more big.

Yep, we'll do both of those. I'm just going to clarify with WMs that marks can be used as pillars first, though.

[JonathanCrazyJ]

I like what's been mentioned so far, I do have some thoughts / concerns, but in general seems like very solid work

Death: I think stall could be a good call, though it makes me a little sad if we discard all the thunderstorms. Still, good is good. I think stall over Air Domin tbh. I wish the air stall had more healing than just purify though, but nothing can be done about that, and Lightstall feels wrong unless we pack Dessication. But. What about AdrennaStaves/Puffers? Smashes through Bonewalls, healing to combat PDial type things, might stand to rush. AirStall could really work too, I'm just throwing ideas.

Fire: I do really like DryWall, will be interesting to see whether it can out-do Bolt OTK in a damage race with only 3 Bonewalls though. If we could make a tinkerer SpeedPoison with BoneWalls that INCLUDED some Dry Spell, rather than going full Dry Spell spam, i'd be happier. Keep some stall, and bonewalls, but have a little more damage potential (and things for them to waste Bolts on). Could be a tricky build though, and DryWall is still a good option.

Entropy: hehe... mono tears eh? Well, if it works, it works! What I love about it is that from previous wars they have tried to stall and tried to domin, NT should do a job against both. DBH would probably still give it problems, but overall I'm happy. i wonder about -1 bolt -1 shield +2 pillars though... I sense dead-draws with 3 Ice shields, and if we are gonna do a rush deck, may as well really go for it

Earth: Toadmare, yubyub. Combats fractal, steals Diamond Shields and Gravy Shields, can function ok against pulvy. I think we should use some ups in pillars though, because EQ split.

Time: Toughest one imo. I actually quite like Barebones Dials as an option, but if they use instosis again, that could be a huge problem. And I think they really might do instosis again.... But then they have a counter for pretty much everything we have, so we need to pick something.. One thing i would say is that nymphs really suffer against RT, so i'd avoid using them, pretty much at all.

[ddevans96]

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Concept vs Entropy. Went down to 2 shields per jcj's suggestion, I think 6 bolts are necessary though given that's the bulk of the control. Personally that's why I like 3 shields.

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Toadmare for Earth. Dropped the permafrosts for a toad and another pend, tweaked the upgrades to have a bit of a split, has to be Lieu/Upgrades tho. Not a final build yet, I wanted 13 quanta and jcj wanted 9 creatures so right now it's 31 cards to fit both...but it can still be tweaked.


Rulac and I briefly discussed Adrenastaves vs Death. I think it'd be a good option, they aren't likely to bring RT against us, and it solves the issue of not having to deal with a weakened air stall because we need to discard all the Tstorms. But I'm pretty sure dawn using it against them last round means it's firmly on their radar, especially since rob knows I'm fond of it, so I'm wary.

As for Drywall...we have to discard 4 tstorms and 2 NT, essentially, then 3 dragons/desi, both of which we are in extremely short supply of. Can we make it work with 4 Desi? We could also put in some congeals, adds extra control without having to worry about squids or perm getting fried. My preference is an NT-death nymph flip, whether that needs tinkerer or not, but speed poison or crawler variants would both work too.

Nymphs against RT, yeah, that's asking for trouble. If I run a fire domin there it's going to be crawler heavy. Dials/Miracle though...I hate giving dials to Time but at the same time if we build hat right it'd catch them off guard. I'm in favor of the fire domin but both are decent options and imo the best we have for that matchup.

[Basman-1453]

My biggest fears here are:
         
     Entropy. Entropy hasn't thrown any antimatters out so far(that I can remember seeing). Speed Poison(which we've already ran) counters an AM stall, and Nymph Rush can easily outnumber their numbers of antimatters unless they get an early nymph(which are easily CCable). However they've been running really strong denials and rushes. Nymph Rush with Bolts(for SoFos?)
      Yes, I didn't thought about it first, but I don't think a single bottle of Antimatter was planned to be thrown around (read: placed in the deck) by any of the five teams I've spied during the first two rounds. Saying they (particularly Team Entropy) didn't plan something involving Antimatter at all would be utterly foolish, though~ :/

     Time. Their decks are really varied, and we can expect almost any deck. Gen v Gen match could easily result in them running a faster Instosis(highly unlikely though), a Stall, or Ghostmare. Ddevans suggested 2 decks that sound viable. I'd love to see them.
      Eh, the Instosis you faced in R1 was actually ran by General Spike, I don't think it'll find much space to go faster.

Other than those 2, the rest of the deck suggestions for the match-ups sound viable. I'm afraid of Phoenixbolt, and Drywall sounds pretty darn good even if they didn't bring Phoenixbolt. Air Stall V Death; and Toadmare V Earth - sound great.
Earth: This far, Earth's only deck that have some reliable Water sources without recourse to (Super)novae/Immolation is their Patient WardenQuake. Here's crossing my fingers that they don't throw it on our face~ :/
Death: Dessicated Bones, methinks, is going to work pretty damn good (thanks to Fire's generally glass-cannon-ish creatures). Supporting that.
Entropy: No radically different ideas passing as of now. Might edit this post when I came with one.

[Espithel]

That idea looks great! But can use 2 nymphs 3 tears not?
Have 1 mark to make the split more big.

Yep, we'll do both of those. I'm just going to clarify with WMs that marks can be used as pillars first, though.

Warning: Marks are treated as quantum pillars when NT'd.
Other than that, posting other critique right now, but is beyond tired.jpeg.

[ddevans96]

Warning: Marks are treated as quantum pillars when NT'd.

Yep, although in this case it's always going to stack with the mark.

[Spielkind]

This nt control is exactly what i thought about.
And mark will not be ntd. But thx.  8)


What about ltd or plus 2 ups? Do we need for other matches? If not 2more upped pillars are gold...
Or i will say i take sideboard. Plus 1 shield and 1pillar 1 purify. So i can look for need of shield or not. And outstall 31 decks. And!!!! can handle some poison. i hate to get poisoned as water... but many other like to fool us.

But 2 more ups would me like the most.

[JonathanCrazyJ]

As requested by DD, here are the builds for Adrennastaves and DryWall that he and I have worked on:

vs. Death: Adrennastaves Tinkerer

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-Tinkerer because it's a more reliable build than standard, and has more damage potential, as well as being able to get a stave out quicker.
-Extra NT over standard Adrenaline, because it has more damage potential, and balances quanta slightly better.

vs. Fire: DryWall Mercenary

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-Mercenary allows death quanta constructs, faster Bonewalls and Arsenics.
-Upped dessi+crys over unupped Dessi+Crawler because dragons have 2 HP, and unupped crys are unaffected by Fire shield.
-2 NT for a bit of a damage boost. An option is -1 pillar +1 NT, but that could leave us quanta stretched. I am happy to face vagman with this.

Any points of interest / discussion on these ideas?

Oh, btw Spiel, I can't see any reason why that NT deck couldn't have Lt. or +2 upgrades, yeah

[ddevans96]

What about ltd or plus 2 ups? Do we need for other matches? If not 2more upped pillars are gold...
Or i will say i take sideboard. Plus 1 shield and 1pillar 1 purify. So i can look for need of shield or not. And outstall 31 decks. And!!!! can handle some poison. i hate to get poisoned as water... but many other like to fool us.

But 2 more ups would me like the most.

We can upgrade most likely. Toadmare will use one of the +upgrades, we're leaning towards tinkerer/mercenary for the other two matches, so that would leave upgrades for you. If not, we'll give you Sideboard instead.

Team: Decks aren't final yet. Seems like we're leaning towards the four posted, plus whatever I bring against Time, but we still have well over 24 hours left to discuss, so continue doing so.

[Espithel]

Just making sure. <3
Anyway:

Do le toadmare against earth.
Monowater NT is probably the best mono to send out against a discord-based denial, yes.

Drywall looks plausible, but... I don't know. It assumes they're going to send out monofire against us, and... I simply have my doubts. If they're going to try and rush us to death, I would honestly think they'd be using something like seraphs, or even steamies/raging angels. I wouldn't assume they'd be so bad as to think we aren't scared of what they can do to squids, and I think they're going to abuse that fact.I question if drywall can stand up to that abuse. All they have to do is realise we don't have squids, kill the chysaoras, and boom.
If we are going to do a poison-based rush, I would prefer literal poison over chrysaoras for that reason.

Only three adrenaline, given how they combo with pufferfish as well, in adrenastaves. Really? What's the point of having a fourth AW if you don't have a fourth adrenaline?
Otherwise I don't know the plausability of the deck, but it should work.
Inb4 we encounter a shield we weren't expecting because that's death's thing with us

And, time... I'm not talented enough. What exactly do you expect to deal with, that'd be solved by running a light/time stall against them? I'm not seeing it.

[ddevans96]

Possible decks vs Time:

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Serpentine is also an option but I greatly prefer these two.

And, time... I'm not talented enough. What exactly do you expect to deal with, that'd be solved by running a light/time stall against them? I'm not seeing it.

The dial stall (posted in the spoiler above) has a chance against a lot of their good decks. It should beat ghostal, monos, a lot of their midrange domins. Not a perfect deck (e.g. loses to Ghostmare) but given it's a Gen vs Gen matchup perfect isn't going to exist.

[Basman-1453]

Only three adrenaline, given how they combo with pufferfish as well, in adrenastaves. Really? What's the point of having a fourth AW if you don't have a fourth adrenaline?
inb4 NTs gave rise to Green Nymphs to cast more Adrenaline