Round 2 - Main Topic

[ddevans96]

Current Vault:
This is a more accurate representation of our Vault. When we build decks, we take cards out of here, and when we finish using the cards, they go back in.
This gives us a better idea of what we actually have available to use.

Spoiler for Cards:

In Element: -in progress-

Out of Element A: -in progress-

Out of Element B: -in progress-

Matchups:
This is a list of our matches and what decks we are using for them. We want to decide our decks before finalizing our salvages and discards, rather than the reverse.

23	Gen. ddevans96	Gen. Zawadx
7	Basman-1453	hainkarga
22	JonathanCrazyJ	inthisroom
26	RulacMage11	Gen. Physsion
27	Spielkind	Newbiecake

Spoiler for Decks:

-in progress-

Salvaging and Discarding:
This is a list of decks we need to salvage or discard cards from. We need to first accommodate the decks we want to use this round before deciding other salvages.
Cards salvaged or saved from losing decks go back into the Current Vault.

Spoiler for Salvages:

None - round 1!

Spoiler for Discards:

None - round 1!

Conversions/Transmutations/Penalties:
When we're done with everything else we can decide which cards we want to convert. This way we don't accidentally convert cards we might need this round.

Spoiler for Required: X:

[ddevans96]

Countdowns:
Deckbuilding: Duel phase has started
Battles: Fighting ends!

Event Card:

-click on the event card to expand it, and again to retract it-

Notes:
Round Thread: >link<

[ddevans96]

Alright, new round.

jcj built a deck I really like for Air. Lots of mass CC to combat SoFr and dragons for stable damage. That'd be my choice there, not sure what i prefer for anything else.

I'll add the decks to salvage/discard from tomorrow, I'm just exhausted right now.

[JonathanCrazyJ]

Salvages:

-Spike's Deck: Do we want Sundials, Novas or a mix of the two?
-Regyptic's Deck: Personally, I think we underestimated how good Shipwrecker could be (If we used it instead of wardens, could have been a win), so I'd vote for 1 reserve Pulvy, 2-3 BBs and  0-1 Diamond/Gravy Shield.

Discards:
We CAN save all the decks. Do we want to?

-Wardens: -4 Squids -2 Purify.
-Nymphcord: -4 Tears -2 Crawlers.
-Vamps: -2 Squids -2 SoPa -1 Steal -1 Vamp Dagger (means we only have 3 total so can't run Vamps and Toadmare concurrently). The other option is ditch some vamps and semi-rebuild with Devs, remove Cloaks etc. This is the hardest discard imo.

[JonathanCrazyJ]

The Deck I built potentially for Air, it's fairly all or nothing. If they SoFree rush, it should win so long as <4 dragons. I think it possible they would use SoFree rush against us, because it is not too heavily pillar dependent (if they fear Trident) It avoids targeting (If they fear Squids) and it avoids shields (we have one of the most irritating shields in the game.
Gets Smashed by UG stall though, which is a definite possibility. Time's logic of going for OTK is valid.

It also negates Wings, which is another traditional Water counter.

Could Be Adjusted, Lt. or +2 upgrades

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For Darkness: Their perms are irritating, as are their steals. What about Steam Machine Domin? Suffers against Devtal. What about Merc Grabbow, but with 2 Explosions for draw probability? Suffers against Ghostmare, but I think devtal is more likely at this stage.
Alternatively, Sanc Stall could be a good option. Early sanc kills Devtal and ghostmare. Dies to SoV though.

For Light: So many options. I'd lean towards a Domin, either Steamies, or possibly give SoPa vamps another go. Light are a 'tall' element, so will find it harder to fight squids, and a slower element, So both SoPa and Vamp healing could be great. Finally, if run with steals, Dims are less of a problem should they appear.

For Gravity: Really tough match-up. They have a lot of options. Somewhat luck of the draw. They might go mono-SoFo and try to negate our perms, DBH, ChargerTal... In the past we have used Sanc to decent effect, so I expect they will SoFo the shit out of us. What about Air Stall / Domin? As much CC as possible to kill SoFo on sight?

For Aether: Another tough one, we have not won vs Aether in the last 3 wars, but we didn't have SHIPWRECKER. I think this is the Perfect matchup to whip out this deck. SoW is also a possibility (creatures immune to squids etc) as is Devtal. Essentially everything we have has a likely counter, but we have to pick something, and I think Shipwrecker is something that's tough to predict. Poison dials with reflective shield could be cool also.

[ddevans96]

Personally I don't think we should discard both purifies from SoP Wardens. We only have 8 in the vault, I think we can safely lose 1 but 2 is pushing it.

I like a sanc domin for Darkness (slimmed down, more focus on damage), steammie domin or SoP Vamps for Light, air domin for Gravity, and poisondials with reflectives for Aether, as well as that mass CC deck against Air.

[JonathanCrazyJ]

What should we discard from wardens then? I think it would be mad not to save the deck, but I understand the wish to keep enough purifies...

[Spielkind]

The Deck I built potentially for Air, it's fairly all or nothing. If they SoFree rush, it should win so long as <4 dragons. I think it possible they would use SoFree rush against us, because it is not too heavily pillar dependent (if they fear Trident) It avoids targeting (If they fear Squids) and it avoids shields (we have one of the most irritating shields in the game.
Gets Smashed by UG stall though, which is a definite possibility. Time's logic of going for OTK is valid.

It also negates Wings, which is another traditional Water counter.

Could Be Adjusted, Lt. or +2 upgrades

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looks some good, will test a bit but no better idea till now.

For Darkness: Their perms are irritating, as are their steals. What about Steam Machine Domin? Suffers against Devtal. What about Merc Grabbow, but with 2 Explosions for draw probability? Suffers against Ghostmare, but I think devtal is more likely at this stage.
Alternatively, Sanc Stall could be a good option. Early sanc kills Devtal and ghostmare. Dies to SoV though.

SancStall would be my choice, but grabbow could do it well.

For Light: So many options. I'd lean towards a Domin, either Steamies, or possibly give SoPa vamps another go. Light are a 'tall' element, so will find it harder to fight squids, and a slower element, So both SoPa and Vamp healing could be great. Finally, if run with steals, Dims are less of a problem should they appear.

we´ll see a rolhope here, guess with sopa-wardens we go good when we will face vadersader here.

For Gravity: Really tough match-up. They have a lot of options. Somewhat luck of the draw. They might go mono-SoFo and try to negate our perms, DBH, ChargerTal... In the past we have used Sanc to decent effect, so I expect they will SoFo the shit out of us. What about Air Stall / Domin? As much CC as possible to kill SoFo on sight?

grabbow? sofo will do nothing without perms... but think somewhat cc heavy will go good, like dessi or bolts.

For Aether: Another tough one, we have not won vs Aether in the last 3 wars, but we didn't have SHIPWRECKER. I think this is the Perfect matchup to whip out this deck. SoW is also a possibility (creatures immune to squids etc) as is Devtal. Essentially everything we have has a likely counter, but we have to pick something, and I think Shipwrecker is something that's tough to predict. Poison dials with reflective shield could be cool also.

would be better with poisondials, but when you will try shipwrecker... hmmm

[JonathanCrazyJ]

So Mercenary could be very important here. Grabbow vs either Darkness or Gravity, and PDials vs Aether are all possibilities. Here is what these decks 'could' look like if we chose them for each:

Spoiler for Grabbow vs Darkness:

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I went for extra PC against their Dusk and Vagger, with momentum as backup, and sacrificed our perms because of steal. Extra grabboid replaces our weapon.

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Standard 50% with +2 upgrades could work better here, as Flayers could be vital early game for SoFos and Otys. Momentum is also an option.

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It's a bit rough, other options include bonewalls. The drawpower from Dials should be enough to go all out speed though.

Now, with regards to that Air deck... the problem is it uses ALL our TS and ALL our Desication, so we have none available for other decks.
Everything else Spiel said I agree with, except that I really really don't think we will face RoL/Hope. Not when we have SoPa and Dessication available, I can't see people taking the risk.

[ddevans96]

If we run poisondials against Aether, imo it needs to have reflectives. That's pretty much the aether counter I've consisted for two years but have always left out.

EDIT: Also it can't be Tinkerer because that's my match.

[JonathanCrazyJ]

oh yeah soz, updating now

EDIT: Maybe not enough damage if Chrys get bolted... needs sorting out. Not the finished product.

[ddevans96]

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Current proposal for my poisondials vs Aether. Solves the damage issue, still needs tweaking though. -1 pend is a possible change.

If we run this, we can also run a 5-nova grabbow, thanks to Spike's deck from last round. Alternative, since we have only 5 dials in this deck, we can potentially run a sanc deck with up to 5 upped dials this round if we salvage those instead.