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Re: Round 1 - Salvaging, Discarding, Penalties and Converting https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=14039.msg191557#msg191557
« Reply #72 on: November 02, 2010, 09:12:32 pm »
Possible solutions:
Convert some cards to pendulums (I think we should do: 2x Earthquake (6 is useless), 2x Fractal (same), 2x Miracle (same), 3 Mind Flayer (they aren't that usefull))
Salvage one more dimension shield, instead of something else (I was thinking aether pillar).
Get one more reflective shield for propaganda.

No, take one reflective shield out of whatever deck has two of them.

The last Propaganda cards, I'm going to go out on a limb and contravene everyone: they're going to be a pair of Owl's Eyes unless everyone strongly disagrees.  We have lots of :air rushes, and OEs will be a big help to those.  With Toadfish as our main attacker in almost every rush deck, it just make sense to me. 

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Re: Round 1 - Salvaging, Discarding, Penalties and Converting https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=14039.msg191559#msg191559
« Reply #73 on: November 02, 2010, 09:14:43 pm »
No objections, but we still need another dim. shield otherwise my deck is illegal. And we really should start converting those cards that the dictator said, any illegal decks are going to be major detriments to us.

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Re: Round 1 - Salvaging, Discarding, Penalties and Converting https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=14039.msg191655#msg191655
« Reply #74 on: November 02, 2010, 10:21:09 pm »
Well, we can get dim shield by salvaging one more.

Possible solutions:
Convert some cards to pendulums (I think we should do: 2x Earthquake (6 is useless), 2x Fractal (same), 2x Miracle (same), 3 Mind Flayer (they aren't that usefull))
Salvage one more dimension shield, instead of something else (I was thinking aether pillar).
Get one more reflective shield for propaganda.

No, take one reflective shield out of whatever deck has two of them.

The last Propaganda cards, I'm going to go out on a limb and contravene everyone: they're going to be a pair of Owl's Eyes unless everyone strongly disagrees.  We have lots of :air rushes, and OEs will be a big help to those.  With Toadfish as our main attacker in almost every rush deck, it just make sense to me. 

Objections?
I'm fine with taking one reflective shield out of mini's deck.
For the propaganda cards, I still believe some stone skins can be really helpfull, as I get 30+ earth quanta easily with my trident deck.
Problem: Owl's eye is really helpfull too  :-\

Maybe we should just drop one nova (5 should be enough), and take 2 stone skins and one owl's eye, or 1 stone skin and two owl's eyes.
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Re: Round 1 - Salvaging, Discarding, Penalties and Converting https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=14039.msg191947#msg191947
« Reply #75 on: November 03, 2010, 03:44:57 am »
We need that dim shield, though. 

Drop a Nova, and take One Dim Shield.

Poll time: Should our last 2 Propaganda cards be Stone Skin or Owl's Eye?
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Re: Round 1 - Salvaging, Discarding, Penalties and Converting https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=14039.msg192015#msg192015
« Reply #76 on: November 03, 2010, 05:21:27 am »
Well, I think I already ranted about Stone Skin being a waste of a card, so Owl's Eye. Although we already have loads of control, especially in an Air deck with Toadfish. Maybe a Short Bow?

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Re: Round 1 - Salvaging, Discarding, Penalties and Converting https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=14039.msg192029#msg192029
« Reply #77 on: November 03, 2010, 05:54:26 am »
What advantage would Short Bow have? It's cheaper?
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Re: Round 1 - Salvaging, Discarding, Penalties and Converting https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=14039.msg192055#msg192055
« Reply #78 on: November 03, 2010, 07:04:38 am »
We need that dim shield, though. 

Drop a Nova, and take One Dim Shield.

Poll time: Should our last 2 Propaganda cards be Stone Skin or Owl's Eye?
Well, we don't need to waste one propaganda card on that as we still have our salvages, so far we salvaged:

Salvaging
5 x phase shields
2 x thunders
3 x aether pillars
2 x life pillars
2 x adrenalines
1 x druidic staff

From these decks:

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Why not drop one of the other cards, and take one more phase shield?
O and MAJOR ERROR:
Where did we get those 2 life pillars????????

That makes the new salvaging list:
Salvaging
6 x phase shields
2 x thunders
2 x aether pillars
2 x life pendulums
2 x adrenalines
1 x druidic staff

This way, we have enough shields, and we do salvage cards that can be salvaged ;)

O, and if we leave the discarding list this way, we have some illegal decks.

My discarding list:

Discarding

7x Freeze
5x Toadfish
3x Ice Shield
7x Dragon
3x Crawler
2x squid
3x flayer
11x Chrysaora
1x Poison

Unit, could you please update this, it really needs to be done.

O and with nilsie's new deck, we need 5 more pillars and 6 more pendulums, so 11 cards to convert, I think the cards to convert are: 2x Earthquake (6 is useless), 2x Fractal (same), 2x Miracle (same), 3 Mind Flayer (they aren't that usefull), and 2x Trident (also a too deck specific).

And why are the propaganda cards listed under converted, do we want to change them to pillars as soon as possible??

That makes the new starting post, fixed the salvaging, discarding, replaced the propaganda cards (under salvaging), added 2x owl's eye, and added the converting cards, just select this, and replace the starting post with this.
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[b][size=36pt]Round 1 - Salvaging, Discarding, Penalties and Converting[/size][/b]

[b][size=18pt]Salvaging[/size][/b]
6 x phase shields
2 x thunders
2 x aether pillars
2 x life pendulums
2 x adrenalines
1 x druidic staff
(From propaganda)
2 x mirror shield
2 x morning glory
6 x nova
2x Owl's Eye

[b][size=18pt]Discarding[/size][/b]
7x Freeze
5x Toadfish
3x Ice Shield
7x Dragon
3x Crawler
2x squid
3x flayer
11x Chrysaora
1x Poison

[b][size=18pt]Penalties[/size][/b]

[b][size=18pt]Converting[/size][/b]
To pendulums:
2x Earthquake
2x Fractal
2x Miracle
To pillars
3 Mind Flayer
2x Trident

PERSONAL DIRECTING:
-post all decks to discard from with a thumbs down message icon.
-post all decks to salvage from with a thumbs up message icon.
-post all conversions ideas with a lamp message icon.
-in this round, we will be discarding 6 cards per losing deck.
-please discuss ONE deck at a time. im sure no one wants to sift through 8 posts just to find a reply to their post.
-official card discarding/salvaging/penalties/converting will be held off until ALL of our matches finish, unless there are any matches that havent eventuated before the end of the round. in which case, the d/s/p/c will finalize.
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Re: Round 1 - Salvaging, Discarding, Penalties and Converting https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=14039.msg192080#msg192080
« Reply #79 on: November 03, 2010, 08:11:51 am »
Done.
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Re: Round 1 - Salvaging, Discarding, Penalties and Converting https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=14039.msg192083#msg192083
« Reply #80 on: November 03, 2010, 08:16:13 am »
Well, I updated nilsie's deck agian, because I realized you had dropped the wings, so nilsie could use them.

I still need to decide 3 upgraded cards for nilsie.

But, could you please take the 'to pillars', out of the converting, because we need now just 11 pendulums, and no pillars at all.
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Re: Round 1 - Salvaging, Discarding, Penalties and Converting https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=14039.msg192086#msg192086
« Reply #81 on: November 03, 2010, 08:20:14 am »
Done.
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Re: Round 1 - Salvaging, Discarding, Penalties and Converting https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=14039.msg192134#msg192134
« Reply #82 on: November 03, 2010, 10:14:13 am »
We have to discards 6 cards from the following decks:

Underlined = Essence suggestion, Italic = My suggestion

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3x Freeze, 2x Toadfish, 1x Ice Bolt, 3x Freeze, 2x Toadfish, 1x Ice Shield
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3x Dragon, 3x Crawler, 2x Freeze, 2x Dragon, 2x Crawler
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2x Dragon, 2x Flayer, 2x Squid, 2x squid, 1x dragon, 3x flayer
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5x Chrysaroa, 1x Flooding, 5x Chrysaora, 1x Poison
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1x Short Sword, 5x Freeze, 5x Freeze, 1x Ice Shield
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3x Dragon, 3x Toadfish, 3x Dragon, 3x Toadfish
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2x Ice Shield, 4x Chrysaora, 6x Chrysoara


Actually, I like ALL of your suggestions, having built new decks.  Use them so long as they don't make any decks invalid. :)
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Re: Round 1 - Salvaging, Discarding, Penalties and Converting https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=14039.msg192218#msg192218
« Reply #83 on: November 03, 2010, 11:38:48 am »
We have to discards 6 cards from the following decks:

Underlined = Essence suggestion, Italic = My suggestion

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3x Freeze, 2x Toadfish, 1x Ice Bolt, 3x Freeze, 2x Toadfish, 1x Ice Shield
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3x Dragon, 3x Crawler, 2x Freeze, 2x Dragon, 2x Crawler
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2x Dragon, 2x Flayer, 2x Squid, 2x squid, 1x dragon, 3x flayer
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5x Chrysaroa, 1x Flooding, 5x Chrysaora, 1x Poison
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1x Short Sword, 5x Freeze, 5x Freeze, 1x Ice Shield
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3x Dragon, 3x Toadfish, 3x Dragon, 3x Toadfish
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2x Ice Shield, 4x Chrysaora, 6x Chrysoara


Actually, I like ALL of your suggestions, having built new decks.  Use them so long as they don't make any decks invalid. :)

Cards Left:
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Sollution, discard:
1x toadfish
2x freeze
1x ice shield
1x ice dragon

instead of 5x toadfish.

Someone has to change it, before the deadline, or we are in trouble.

The new discarded cards are:
9x Freeze
1x Toadfish
4x Ice Shield
8x Dragon
3x Crawler
2x squid
3x flayer
11x Chrysaora
1x Poison
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