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Round 1 - Main Topic https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=59707.msg1207257#msg1207257
« on: September 27, 2015, 12:06:51 am »
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Re: Round 1 - Main Topic https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=59707.msg1207258#msg1207258
« Reply #1 on: September 27, 2015, 12:07:04 am »
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Re: Round 1 - Main Topic https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=59707.msg1207259#msg1207259
« Reply #2 on: September 27, 2015, 12:20:16 am »
My thoughts:

We need to send something against Time that RR doesn't expect to be a given in our vault, and is strong against RT. Tall order, but I'm sure we have a viable option somewhere.

Other than that, everything is discussion.
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Re: Round 1 - Main Topic https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=59707.msg1207278#msg1207278
« Reply #3 on: September 27, 2015, 05:36:38 am »
The only 'decent' counter I think of for RT, and isn't really a counter is speed poison.. Chrya's cost 1, allowing us to constantly place it back down. The only problem is RR knows we have this deck, because..well it's a pretty strong deck. Considering this is round 1, I can't imagine what they'll throw at us, so someone with more war experience may have some idea :)
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Re: Round 1 - Main Topic https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=59707.msg1207289#msg1207289
« Reply #4 on: September 27, 2015, 07:36:38 am »
imo we should focus on the other four matchups, and then select the strongest curveball from what's left for Time.
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Re: Round 1 - Main Topic https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=59707.msg1207310#msg1207310
« Reply #5 on: September 27, 2015, 11:15:11 am »
My 2  :electrum

Vs Time we need a grabbow or a speedpoison. Guess we will see something like ghostal or grabbow so some defense looks needed. But with highcost for time serpentine could be good as well.

Vs death i like poison with pury, is the best imo. Guess we will face a mono, so perhaps something like NTrush with genups will also do it well.

Vs fire i would like to see RTsplash or darkdomin. Guess UG or Firestall could be our nemesis, so nymphcord or wardens looks better not?

Vs life i hate it, they will rush us so permfrost should be autoinc, airdomin will heal our wounds. :)

Vs earth some stall would be good, sancstall or flight 909 vs golems.

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Re: Round 1 - Main Topic https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=59707.msg1207312#msg1207312
« Reply #6 on: September 27, 2015, 11:22:57 am »
I'd be on board with the air domin + Permafrost against Life and some form of stall against Earth. Purify against death is a given, I don't want to give them more ammo this early though so I'd prefer a mono over poison, maybe a fatter NT deck with control for non-poison as well and extra stallbreak, to cover all the bases.

All four of those ideas for Fire have pros and cons, I'll have to think more about it before choosing any of them in particular. I'd like the rest of you to pick one of those decks (RT splash, toadmare, nymphcord, SoP wardens) for them, or if you like another idea better, please suggest it.

As for Time I'm still trying to think of the right mix of unpredictably against power to propose sending against them.
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Re: Round 1 - Main Topic https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=59707.msg1207357#msg1207357
« Reply #7 on: September 27, 2015, 04:06:48 pm »
Against Time... Yep. RT. RT is a murderer of anything that gives buffs, so that's going to be an issue. Time is one of the more expensive elements, however. I believe denial should be the way to go. Earth/Water Tridents, perhaps? If I was playing time, I'd just pack in a few purifies and go monotime rush on us, and this works quite nicely against that.

Against Fire... We have to deal with large amounts of CC and dangerous stalling potential. Tempest (My water/entropy NT rush) has fared quite well against both the stall and rush of this element in the past. Thus, some form of NT rush would be my choice. Note I said rush; I don't think nymphcord is the best form of NT we can use versus fire.

Earth... Well. Earthquakes are going to go down, and I don't remember us packing in protect artifacts. An NT rush is out of the question. Given the beauty of four-pillar monoearth, I question the potential of denial against this, as well. I don't want to send in SoPa wardens against earth, as that would give it a kekking of fuel if we lost. A stall seems to be the answer, but... I'm just too worried about EQ. e.e

I question Spielkind's comment on life rushing us. Last war, they were extremely pro-stall, (Last two rounds, we lost simply because all our decks were stalls and all the elements we fought against were good at stallbreaking.) and unless Will is changing any of that, I think they'll remain that way.
That said, I'm struggling to think of what would happen should they bring a stall in and what we should do to counter it.
I feel speed poison should be what we use versus life.

Against death, well. Purifies are a lolling given. Bonewall has traditionally been quite threatening but shouldn't be too bad if we steamroll it with nymphs. I would personally say NTLA if we had it, but I agree with a fatter NT control deck, as Evans suggested.

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Re: Round 1 - Main Topic https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=59707.msg1207377#msg1207377
« Reply #8 on: September 27, 2015, 08:03:55 pm »
My 2  :electrum

Vs Time we need a grabbow or a speedpoison. Guess we will see something like ghostal or grabbow so some defense looks needed. But with highcost for time serpentine could be good as well.
Grabbow or Speedpoison... What about Poison Dials? Freeze neutralises expensive creatures, poison chips through RT defenses. I do somewhat fear Ghostmare, however, so this could use more thought. Serpentine is our most famous deck, so RR will definitely have something going on to protect against it.

Vs death i like poison with pury, is the best imo. Guess we will face a mono, so perhaps something like NTrush with genups will also do it well.
DD SAID: Purify against death is a given, I don't want to give them more ammo this early though so I'd prefer a mono over poison, maybe a fatter NT deck with control for non-poison as well and extra stallbreak, to cover all the bases.
What about go Patient Wardens with purify? Solid deck against most strategies with enough creatures to blast Bonewall, plus makes good use of Gen upgrades. Nymphs are also a decent shout as dd and Espi said, but I like wardens in this matchup.

Vs fire i would like to see RTsplash or darkdomin. Guess UG or Firestall could be our nemesis, so nymphcord or wardens looks better not?
ESPI SAID:Tempest (My water/entropy NT rush) has fared quite well against both the stall and rush of this element in the past. Thus, some form of NT rush would be my choice. Note I said rush; I don't think nymphcord is the best form of NT we can use versus fire.
Fire is very versatile, Immo counters denial, stall counters rush, domin counters stall with bolts. Plus this is a general matchup. An option, dude to low HP creatures is a Water/Light stall with Reflectives. Unfortunately we can't run dials in this AND vs time.

Vs life i hate it, they will rush us so permfrost should be autoinc, airdomin will heal our wounds. :)
ESPI SAID:I question Spielkind's comment on life rushing us. Last war, they were extremely pro-stall,
DD SAID: I'd be on board with the air domin + Permafrost against Life
Air domin would be smashed by stall. There is a mitigating factor, that due to the fact we have access to SoPa, they might not want to stall us. What about Patient Vamps? Patience has a chance versus Stall, and Vamps can outheal/damage rushes?

Vs earth some stall would be good, sancstall or flight 909 vs golems.
ESPI SAID:Well. Earthquakes
DD SAID: some form of stall against Earth
Tough one. Does +- have any mark cards? Certainly not tears. We could tweak AM/Flooding to have a) more quanta sources and b) a water mark so we can have 4 types of quanta source (water pend/pillar, entropy pend/pillar) Pulvy could take out flooding, but the freezes and AM should be able to cope. Possiblity.

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Re: Round 1 - Main Topic https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=59707.msg1207378#msg1207378
« Reply #9 on: September 27, 2015, 08:06:39 pm »
Tough one. Does +- have any mark cards? Certainly not tears. We could tweak AM/Flooding to have a) more quanta sources and b) a water mark so we can have 4 types of quanta source (water pend/pillar, entropy pend/pillar) Pulvy could take out flooding, but the freezes and AM should be able to cope. Possiblity.

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Re: Round 1 - Main Topic https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=59707.msg1207385#msg1207385
« Reply #10 on: September 27, 2015, 09:33:48 pm »
One issue i'm seeing is: We're talking more about denial for Fire, but if they run sancstall as much as they did last war, our nymphcord and darkdomin are useless unless we lock them down before sanc.

SoPa Wardens vs Death sounds doable and probably the best option I can think of.

Life has the potential to rush AND stall at the same time now with the addition of shards. We need a fast stallbreaker.

I certainly like Jcj's AM/Flooding idea vs Earth. It's a given they will pack a couple earthquakes so NT is out of the question.

Last but not least - Time. Speed Poison, or Poison Dials. Water has excellent rush potential and they'll be fearing just that.
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« Reply #11 on: September 27, 2015, 10:21:10 pm »
It obviously means absolutely nothing, but thought I'd share chat:

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