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Re: Decks round 1 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=14358.msg182085#msg182085
« Reply #12 on: October 22, 2010, 08:20:25 pm »
That might work really well too, but I would take out some freezes, for pillars, because it is meant to be a rush, who usually have a low QI. This one has a QI of 6,5.

Changing freezes to pillars gives a QI of 4, which might be a bit low, but very fast.
i just like the freezes because they're so cheap (just scary xD)
Yes, but they are a lot of times a death card, I tested a deck with 17 pillars and 4 dragons, and a deck with the freezes, and most the times I wanted to draw a creature (damage) rather then a freeze (slow), just to continue the damage building, as I had a lot of quanta pilled up most of the time.
If you really want some control, I suggest swapping the freezes for some ice bolts, because they can always be used for damaging.

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The problem here as I see it is Fractal.  They know we have Poison, and they'll use a Fractal Rush to keep us from slipping our Poison past their Dimensional Shields.  So, how do you counter a Fractal Rush given what we've got in the Vault?   Earthquake would work...other ideas?

Flooding > Fractal
Also, ice shield provides a nice counter to fractal


miniwally vs. :earth coinich
vinvick3714 vs. :earth Demagog

:earth will bring Creature rushes, and it will bring Denial via Earthquakes+Devourers.  Creature rushes are easy -- go air/water w/shockwaves and toadfish, whateva.  No Antimatters, because of Burrow.  Deal with the threat of Denial by...?

Well, the denial can be faced by the EA's I slipped in last minute, or by using pillar/pendulum mix.

RavingRabbid vs. :fire Stinnger
The dictator vs. :fire brettbstock

Fire might go for a Fire Stall-ish deck, or a classic rush deck, or a Fractal Phoenix.  In all cases, a Steam Machine/Phoenix deck with Deflags for the Fire Shield and :water - based CC seems to be the win.

Problem, only 6 Steam Machines and Phoenixes. So only one of us can play a steam machine deck. The other can use the freeze rush I created. The freezes are needed here, as fire can be really fast, so you will have to slow them down. Also, taking no perms (for both) means no trouble when fighting against deflag.

nilsieboy vs. :time Belthazar666

:time will almost certainly do what :time does best -- try to stall you out and finish with Dragons.  I suggest playing his game better than he does -- take a 40-card deck with just enough of CC, any healing and disruption you can muster (Antimatter/Discord might be good here!), and wait him out.

Problem with that, as we already pointed out, we don't have any dim shields, and playing unprotected control creatures will fail against eternity. But, water has ice bolts, so we don't need to win the stalling, we can bolt them to death.
Or, nilsie can try to outrush them, as time is a relatively slow element. (see previous posts in this treat).


unit748596 vs. :life Daxx

:life has a few different options in appearance, but in reality they all boil down to various forms of creature rush, and they know it.  They'll view this as a tough match, and Daxx is no slouch.  Expect something really strange like Aflatoxin/Bond.  If I were you, I'd bring Ice Shields, a Purify (scorpions), and a couple of Deflags to deal with Bonds and Thorn Carapace.

Again, Flooding and Ice Shields will be nice counters here.

wavedash vs. :light Ryan666

:light is a biznatch.  Glories are almost a given, and expect Miracles, too.  RoL/Hope is also a credible threat.   Ice Shields and Chryasora might be your best bet for this one, but bring Squids along in case he goes for a Pegasus Rush.

RoL hope will fail, due to no opgraded creatures, so that would mean photon+fractal+luciferine+hope = 4 card combo. I think this might be a nice one for a poison stall, because squids and ice shields will slow light severely down, poison will beat hope, and stalling along with damage building up slowly beats miracle. That would only leave the weapon, which might become a treat, as that deck lacks healing.

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Re: Decks round 1 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=14358.msg182152#msg182152
« Reply #13 on: October 22, 2010, 09:31:28 pm »
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Re: Decks round 1 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=14358.msg182176#msg182176
« Reply #14 on: October 22, 2010, 09:51:06 pm »
Wings might also work pretty well for me and Miniwally, as Stone Dragon/Basalt Dragon are the only airborne creatures in Earth Cards.

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Re: Decks round 1 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=14358.msg182245#msg182245
« Reply #15 on: October 22, 2010, 10:47:41 pm »
(BTW, in case it's not obvious, I'm going to rely on wavedash, who is our strategist, to make sense of all of this conversation and turn it into a coherent strategy.  Then, TheDictator, who is our deckbuilder, to actually put together decks based on our discussion.)
Can do. I'll summarize all comments here and edit it into the first post in the strategy thread.

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Re: Decks round 1 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=14358.msg182544#msg182544
« Reply #16 on: October 23, 2010, 06:30:11 am »
I give the most standard deck against :fire to Dictator.


Is going with AdrenaCrawlers against Fire too dangerous?
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Re: Decks round 1 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=14358.msg182552#msg182552
« Reply #17 on: October 23, 2010, 06:54:56 am »
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It counter-counters purify. I think the main thing that lacks here is defense.


(we could use purify as a small healing.)
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Re: Decks round 1 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=14358.msg182570#msg182570
« Reply #19 on: October 23, 2010, 08:08:41 am »
i don't think poison is the best option against time
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Re: Decks round 1 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=14358.msg182572#msg182572
« Reply #20 on: October 23, 2010, 08:14:08 am »
I give the most standard deck against :fire to Dictator.


Is going with AdrenaCrawlers against Fire too dangerous?
They can haz fire shield, which makes it dangerous.

i don't think poison is the best option against time
Why not nilsie?

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Re: Decks round 1 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=14358.msg182579#msg182579
« Reply #21 on: October 23, 2010, 08:56:12 am »
because the other rush is faster then poison
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Re: Decks round 1 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=14358.msg182603#msg182603
« Reply #22 on: October 23, 2010, 11:24:37 am »
i don't think poison is the best option against time
Time's strenght is in rewinds, big creatures, and sundial. This way, you make a Poison Stall (with sundial), nearly useless.

Essence's deck is a good counter-counter to purify, as I said, but I think it needs some defense.
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Re: Decks round 1 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=14358.msg182631#msg182631
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i don't think poison is the best option against time
Time's strenght is in rewinds, big creatures, and sundial. This way, you make a Poison Stall (with sundial), nearly useless.

Essence's deck is a good counter-counter to purify, as I said, but I think it needs some defense.
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