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Round 1 - Decks https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=14358.msg181802#msg181802
« on: October 22, 2010, 03:37:00 pm »
Round 1 - Decks

Essence
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Nilsieboy
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The dictator
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vinvick3714
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Essence vs. :aether gocubbies1212
Poison Stall:
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nilsieboy vs. :time Belthazar666
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The dictator vs. :fire brettbstock
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Bluesky vs. :aether mrpaper
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Re: Decks round 1 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=14358.msg181809#msg181809
« Reply #1 on: October 22, 2010, 03:49:05 pm »
Can't we use your poison deck vs :aether? I'd suggest with water pendulums instead.
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Re: Decks round 1 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=14358.msg181825#msg181825
« Reply #2 on: October 22, 2010, 04:09:34 pm »
We could even modify I it a bit more, to something like:

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This has a better chance against a mindgate/deckout deck, because there are no ice bolts that can be copied.

Also, no death quanta from pillars/pendulums, means no chance to use some cards, except ice shield (not a threat at all), flooding (only 6 creatures in the whole deck), and squid (costs a lot of water quanta).

As Essence will be the one to play this deck, I suggest taking one of the following updating possibilities:
    Poisons + Arsenic  (more poison damage)Chrysaora (more damage)Ice shields + squids + something (taking less damage)Water pendulums (more water quanta, first turn chrysoarae
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Re: Decks round 1 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=14358.msg181865#msg181865
« Reply #3 on: October 22, 2010, 04:41:17 pm »
Looking at the previous war archive, I think light may use that deck-out strategy again(Since they know we're the element of CC). Therefore pillar denial may must work wonderfully here. Earth may use that deck-out strategy again, but I think that they may pack PA's for towers.

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Ice dragon as damage. I'm scared of reflective shield if this deck use ice bolt as damage dealer.

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Re: Decks round 1 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=14358.msg181879#msg181879
« Reply #4 on: October 22, 2010, 04:54:06 pm »
don't know what to take vs beltha yet.
i might go for winged toadfishes then because they're really all round
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Re: Decks round 1 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=14358.msg181933#msg181933
« Reply #5 on: October 22, 2010, 05:43:44 pm »
Looking at the previous war archive, I think light may use that deck-out strategy again(Since they know we're the element of CC). Therefore pillar denial may must work wonderfully here. Earth may use that deck-out strategy again, but I think that they may pack PA's for towers.

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Ice dragon as damage. I'm scared of reflective shield if this deck use ice bolt as damage dealer.
I would suggest taking a few more cards. Last war a lot of team used 36+ cards decks, if they feared a deckout. Maybe +1/2 ice shield, +1 EA.
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Re: Decks round 1 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=14358.msg181968#msg181968
« Reply #6 on: October 22, 2010, 06:39:49 pm »
Nog een paar decks:

For nilsie (vs. :time Belthazar666)
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Possible deck for me (vs. :fire brettbstock)
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    Using some water pendulums (will make more control)Switching crawlers for ice bolts and dragons (avoiding rain of fire)
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Re: Decks round 1 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=14358.msg181990#msg181990
« Reply #7 on: October 22, 2010, 06:58:52 pm »
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time isn't that fast most of the time so a rush can do wel i think
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Re: Decks round 1 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=14358.msg182034#msg182034
« Reply #8 on: October 22, 2010, 07:24:30 pm »
That might work really well too, but I would take out some freezes, for pillars, because it is meant to be a rush, who usually have a low QI. This one has a QI of 6,5.

Changing freezes to pillars gives a QI of 4, which might be a bit low, but very fast.
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Re: Decks round 1 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=14358.msg182038#msg182038
« Reply #9 on: October 22, 2010, 07:26:17 pm »
That might work really well too, but I would take out some freezes, for pillars, because it is meant to be a rush, who usually have a low QI. This one has a QI of 6,5.

Changing freezes to pillars gives a QI of 4, which might be a bit low, but very fast.
i just like the freezes because they're so cheap (just scary xD)
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Re: Decks round 1 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=14358.msg182062#msg182062
« Reply #10 on: October 22, 2010, 07:51:19 pm »
Essence vs. :aether gocubbies1212
Bluesky vs. :aether mrpaper

The problem here as I see it is Fractal.  They know we have Poison, and they'll use a Fractal Rush to keep us from slipping our Poison past their Dimensional Shields.  So, how do you counter a Fractal Rush given what we've got in the Vault?   Earthquake would work...other ideas?


miniwally vs. :earth coinich
vinvick3714 vs. :earth Demagog

:earth will bring Creature rushes, and it will bring Denial via Earthquakes+Devourers.  Creature rushes are easy -- go air/water w/shockwaves and toadfish, whateva.  No Antimatters, because of Burrow.  Deal with the threat of Denial by...?


RavingRabbid vs. :fire Stinnger
The dictator vs. :fire brettbstock

Fire might go for a Fire Stall-ish deck, or a classic rush deck, or a Fractal Phoenix.  In all cases, a Steam Machine/Phoenix deck with Deflags for the Fire Shield and :water - based CC seems to be the win.


nilsieboy vs. :time Belthazar666

:time will almost certainly do what :time does best -- try to stall you out and finish with Dragons.  I suggest playing his game better than he does -- take a 40-card deck with just enough of CC, any healing and disruption you can muster (Antimatter/Discord might be good here!), and wait him out.


unit748596 vs. :life Daxx

:life has a few different options in appearance, but in reality they all boil down to various forms of creature rush, and they know it.  They'll view this as a tough match, and Daxx is no slouch.  Expect something really strange like Aflatoxin/Bond.  If I were you, I'd bring Ice Shields, a Purify (scorpions), and a couple of Deflags to deal with Bonds and Thorn Carapace.


wavedash vs. :light Ryan666

:light is a biznatch.  Glories are almost a given, and expect Miracles, too.  RoL/Hope is also a credible threat.   Ice Shields and Chryasora might be your best bet for this one, but bring Squids along in case he goes for a Pegasus Rush.


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Re: Decks round 1 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=14358.msg182076#msg182076
« Reply #11 on: October 22, 2010, 08:08:25 pm »
Essence vs. :aether gocubbies1212
Bluesky vs. :aether mrpaper

The problem here as I see it is Fractal.  They know we have Poison, and they'll use a Fractal Rush to keep us from slipping our Poison past their Dimensional Shields.  So, how do you counter a Fractal Rush given what we've got in the Vault?   Earthquake would work...other ideas?


miniwally vs. :earth coinich
vinvick3714 vs. :earth Demagog

:earth will bring Creature rushes, and it will bring Denial via Earthquakes+Devourers.  Creature rushes are easy -- go air/water w/shockwaves and toadfish, whateva.  No Antimatters, because of Burrow.  Deal with the threat of Denial by...?


RavingRabbid vs. :fire Stinnger
The dictator vs. :fire brettbstock

Fire might go for a Fire Stall-ish deck, or a classic rush deck, or a Fractal Phoenix.  In all cases, a Steam Machine/Phoenix deck with Deflags for the Fire Shield and :water - based CC seems to be the win.


nilsieboy vs. :time Belthazar666

:time will almost certainly do what :time does best -- try to stall you out and finish with Dragons.  I suggest playing his game better than he does -- take a 40-card deck with just enough of CC, any healing and disruption you can muster (Antimatter/Discord might be good here!), and wait him out.


unit748596 vs. :life Daxx

:life has a few different options in appearance, but in reality they all boil down to various forms of creature rush, and they know it.  They'll view this as a tough match, and Daxx is no slouch.  Expect something really strange like Aflatoxin/Bond.  If I were you, I'd bring Ice Shields, a Purify (scorpions), and a couple of Deflags to deal with Bonds and Thorn Carapace.


wavedash vs. :light Ryan666

:light is a biznatch.  Glories are almost a given, and expect Miracles, too.  RoL/Hope is also a credible threat.   Ice Shields and Chryasora might be your best bet for this one, but bring Squids along in case he goes for a Pegasus Rush.


Thoughts?
for the aether matches if you expect fractal take ice shield,discord or wings (i think frogtal is a populair one)

for the fire ones i don't know yet,i might edit this later (i think rush with some freezes for now)

for my match vs time i still think rush is a good option because eternity screws me and they aren't fast so i think i can outrush them

for life i'd take something with wings to (stall or toadfishes) because it blocks a lot of options

if you expect glories and miracles take discord,earthquake and ice shields to block it
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