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[Spielkind]

Me feels so sorry but RL is busy atm... 

I looked for the most decks, toadmare for earth so strong, agree totally here with jcj!
Thx for you all making so much work, hope i can give it back soon!!!

[JonathanCrazyJ]

Ok Death Time:

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Against:
Fleshtal: 5-0
Wings: 5-0
Death rush: 4-1
Grabbow: 3-2 (very suprised by this)

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Against:
Grabbow: 2-3 (removed flooding after game 1)
Fleshtal: 3-2 (removed 1 pend and 1 purify)
Wings: 1-4 (-2 flooding, -1 purify)
Death rush: 0-5...

not so good with the speed poison

[JonathanCrazyJ]

So i had a think today, about our rush situation. At present, our rushes seem to be too slow, or are walled by wings.
Now, it's another mercenary (but could actually be run as a normal deck), and we should be careful about too many decks that include more off-element cards than water cards, but:

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it is quite consistantly 6-7 ttw. Could possibly be made better somehow, but i'm happy with the speed

[Manuel]

i really hate decks based entirely on sopa (mostly because i am unlucky with them); something with toadfish or upped nighcrawler?

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(it has too much pillars)

after quick tests the ttw should be something like 7 turns with all unupped pillars (i have used that deck with 2 ice lance as a random filler)

unupped toadfish or nightcrawler are really borderline in pvp, but the quanta/damage is decent, and they aren't so weak to cc (specially nightcrawler)

[JonathanCrazyJ]

i really hate decks based entirely on sopa (mostly because i am unlucky with them); something with toadfish or upped nighcrawler?

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(it has too much pillars)

after quick tests the ttw should be something like 7 turns with all unupped pillars (i have used that deck with 2 ice lance as a random filler)

unupped toadfish or nightcrawler are really borderline in pvp, but the quanta/damage is decent, and they aren't so weak to cc (specially nightcrawler)

It's an interesting thought, but the problem with Pillar + PC splash is that it's vulnerable against all forms of denial, and slow against domins, and hit-and-miss versus stalls.
Its advantage is being cheap to put in the vault (actually can be included just as supplement cards), and potentially more reliable against Dims.
The patient bow seems to be a turn faster from my testing, will beat denial decks, wings decks and has a chance against some stalls if its creatures grow fast enough. unfortunately it would probably lose against dims.

Basically, that is a really nice, cheap, basic deck that we can include in the vault as a sort of filler deck for later in war. Thanks for the work manuel

[Manuel]

didn't know it was also supposed to have a good matchup against denials

indeed your deck is the only anti denial rush able to bypass wings

[JonathanCrazyJ]

Getting

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upgraded Pends because then the nymphs are useful at 5/5

Against:
Frogtal: 7 - 5. I tested this loads, and the winrate went up when i realised steal was not a dead card, rather it can be used to delay fractal by an extra turn, especially on aether quanta which then becomes a good nymph target.
FreeFFQ: 5 - 0. Just out rushes it. Winrate may go down if they include wings, but that's why we have steals.
Dark Domin: 2 - 3 ooo i was so unlucky, but I think this is probably accurate
Fire Stall w/o shards: 5 - 0
Tinkerer Firestall with SoG: 5 - 0 wow, was not expecting this, the steals and vagger were OP
SoG Wings Stall with DragonOTK: 3-2. Didn't expect this at all, I sort of built it myself and as I finished it I thought I had made a soft-counter. Steal MVP

I really like this for life, but a few observations:
-An extra steal might be nice, but unsure if that would affect speed too much.
-Earlier, i tested Ginyu and Manuel's ideas of using Fire mark and explosion. This version is MUCH faster, because you only ever get as much darkness quanta as you need, never any more, because you turn them into nymphs. It also has Vagger which is OP.
-Often, it is better to use the first Nymph Tears on an upgraded pillar, RATHER than using a nymph queen from hand, because of the extra 1hp.
-Always make nymphs from upgraded pillars/pends first.
-Suprisingly reliable.
-Just realized it would be sooo much better with the steals unupped and the pends all upped.


then I thought about Shipwrecker (Patient Wardens with Pulverizer) and realised I invented it because I couldn't use other PC in trials. Enter The Armada:

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Unfortunately cygnia/oetg doesn't work right with wardens and SoP (if you use the ability while SoP is active it stays delayed until SoP is removed, so can't test without someone else on main game, but i like this a lot and it solves a lot of the weaknesses of Patient Wardens making it a frightning prospect against many enemies.

Tested against Fire:
Using AI on elements/trainer, so not 100% accurate:
MonoFire: 7 - 2 (was 3-2 but with a series of bad draws so played a few more and won 4 in a row)
MonoFire with Rage Pots 3 - 2 this seemed accurate, we'd edge it imo
Wings: 5 - 0 too many creatures for CC to stop growth, explosions for 1 or 2tkos
Immo Rush 5 - 0 (but actually i realise now they would never play direct rush with no CC)
Phase Shield 5 - 0 easymode

[JonathanCrazyJ]

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Finally got on to testing general Void vs Light:

Quake Grabbow: 5 - 0 some seemed close, but really this is easy mode with dials
Dims Fractal: 4 - 1 the loss was from a well timed silence breaking Dial Chain
RoL Hope: 5 - 0 Dissi and Permafrost MVP
SoFree: 2 - 3 Can't cover everything, but I was pleased it got a couple of games. Drawing Light pillar made all of the difference.
Wings Domin: 2 - 3 Very similar to Sofree deck tbh, all depends on draws, seemed to go with the light pillar draw too.

Also Tested Unstable Toad

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Quake grabbow: 5 - 0: I have no idea how. So many intensely close games, Fog MVP
Wings Domin: 2 - 3: Owl's Eye before nymph means loss, with wings walling everything else
SoFree: 3 - 2: very similar, just got the better RNG this time despite the deck containing more CC
Dims Fractal: 1 - 4: Literally because lightnings. I now hate lightning with a passion.
RoL Hope: 5 - 0: Easymode, one was tough because of late nymph, but 1 UG clears the field.

Last idea atm for light:

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Dim Fractal: 5 - 0 Oh yes
Quake Grabbow: 4 - 1 suprising, but the pillar split was enough
RoL Hope: 4 - 1 slight danger of being outrushed, but generally fine
Wings Domin: 2 - 3 again, and 2 of the losses I drew the Cata i needed one turn too late, suprising. had-clog from wings was a factor.
SoFree: 5 - 0 WHAT? Either the stars alligned or this is actually a great deck. SoFo took care of perms nicely, and Congeals worked as good CC. One AWESOME thing is that a 31hp frozen + a 50hp frozen is 86 damage, exactly 2 hits from a titan away from 100hp.


verdict:
I absolutely insist on bringing Cata Titans. It is awesome. I don't care who we use it against, it covers so many of our weaknesses it's just brill.
i spent a good hour today trying to make Void without dials work, and it was just always poor. I'd still love to bring Void to war, but as of now, if there isn't space i will survive.
Air Nymphs kind of get nailed by our usualy weaknesses. I love the idea of the deck though so if we can find a home for it somewhere that would be nice, but I'm easy.

[JonathanCrazyJ]

Only thing Ginyu and I have found to use against air is... awesome:

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not putting in Vault yet though, because we will wait to see if we can afford SoFr instead of SoV, because of Airborne against Wings

[JonathanCrazyJ]

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Against Earth

Pulvy Domin: 3 - 2
Wings: 5 - 0
Grabbow: 1 - 4
Fractal Dims: 3 - 2
Disquake: 1 - 4

Against Time:

Instosis: 4 - 1
Pharo Disco Bow: 4 - 1
Void: 5 - 0
Patient Scarabs: 2 - 3

I think RR is right, it needs to be in the vault at least as a fear factor deck.

[RavingRabbid]

Tomorrow this time i sgould be back

[JonathanCrazyJ]

Ok.

The vault is full and legal. It includes:
The 13 decks in the OP.
Backup off-element cards for a few of those decks.
Loads of extra water cards.
Lots of Mind Flayers and Flooding, because they only cost 30 and this war has discard-from-vault mechanic.

We can edit the vault for another 1 day 8 hours. Please take a look at the decks and at the Vault, and if you think there is anything we can't do without that we are missing, speak up. Please include in your post what you think we need it for, and if there isn't already a deck in our selection which does not do it better.

So excited for things to kick off!