Deck Layout

[JonathanCrazyJ]

Deck Layout

Spoiler for ReadMe:

Introduction
This thread is where we suggest, tweak and prepare decks for our vault. By the end of the vault-building phase, we should have a diverse selection of decks, including at least two which we would be happy... no, excited to throw against each opponent.

Building From Scratch?
Water has become very predictable. We had an almost identical vault the last two wars, give or take a few SoP. Included in the 2nd post is our decks from last war, some we should use, some we should not. A big mistake we made was simply building a selection of decks, without thinking through what we wanted to play against each opponent, and why.

Market Prices
Another error we made was trying to do things too cheap. I'd rather have 12 optimized decks than 15 budget decks. We can worry about tweaking for the market and cutting some decks when we have finished building, so long as we get to work soon. It may also be worth buying a bundle of very cheap cards once we have finished building, as in-vault discard fodder with the new rules.

Decks

Spoiler for 2480 NovaPatience:

2480

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Spoiler for 1865 Devourer Poseidon:

1865

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5i4 5i4 5i4 5ib 5ib 5ib 5ib 5j2 5j2 5j2 5j2 5um 5um 5um 5um 5um 5um 5up 7gk 7gk 7gk 7gk 7gs 7gs 7gs 7i6 7um 7um 7um 7um 8pm

Spoiler for 780 Rainbow Nymph:

780

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4sa 4sa 4sa 58v 58v 5i4 5i4 5i4 5ig 5ig 5ig 5io 5io 5io 5jm 5jm 5lg 5lg 6qq 6qq 6qq 6qq 6qq 6qq 6qq 6qq 7gk 7gk 7i6 7i6 8pp

Spoiler for 1280 SoFo Tinkerer:

1280

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55k 55k 55k 55k 55k 55t 55t 55t 56i 56i 56i 576 576 576 576 576 576 576 576 576 5ie 5ie 745 745 752 752 7gm 7gm 7gm 7gm 8pp

Spoiler for 1640 Toadmare:

1640

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Spoiler for 1520 AMFlooding:

1520

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Spoiler for 1490 wtfbow:

1490

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Spoiler for 1000 StealNymphs:

1000

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Spoiler for 1940 Explosion Wardens:

1940

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Spoiler for 1270 CataTitan:

1270

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55k 55k 55k 576 576 561 561 561 55s 55s 55s 55s 56i 56i 5jm 5jm 5jm 5jm 5jm 5jm 5i7 5i7 7gn 7gn 7gn 7gn 7n2 7n2 7n2 7n2 8pl

Spoiler for 2840 Shard Golem:

2840

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Spoiler for 1840 General Void:

1840

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Spoiler for 1590 Speed Poison:

1590

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Decks By Opponent

This will be kept up to date with our discussion about our most viable options against each opponent and why. Some may (and should!) overlap. I have thrown a few ideas on here just to start discussion. Most (if not all) could do with tweaking or replacing.

 

Spoiler for NovaPatience:

2480

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4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 596 596 596 596 596 5i5 5i5 5i5 5i5 5if 5jm 5jm 5jm 5up 5v0 5v0 77e 77e 77e 77e 7hi 7hi 7hi 7hi 8pm

 

Spoiler for AMFlooding:

1520

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4vn 4vn 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5ia 5ia 5ia 5ib 5ib 5ib 5ih 5ih 5ih 5ih 5io 5io 5jm 5jm 5jm 5jm 5jm 5jm 5jm 5jm 6u7 6u7 6u7 6u7 7gp 7gp 7gp 7gp 8pj

 

Spoiler for SoFo:

1280

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55k 55k 55k 55k 55k 55t 55t 55t 56i 56i 56i 576 576 576 576 576 576 576 576 576 5ie 5ie 745 745 752 752 7gm 7gm 7gm 7gm 8pp

Spoiler for NovaPatience:

2480

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Spoiler for Toadmare:

1640

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Spoiler for Explosion Wardens:

1940

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596 596 596 596 596 5f6 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5ib 5ib 5ib 5ib 5j2 5j2 5j2 5j2 77e 77e 77e 77e 77e 77e 7dm 7dm 7gk 7gk 7gk 7gk 8po

Spoiler for Speed Poison:

1590

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5i4 5i4 5jm 5jm 5jm 5jm 5jm 5i5 5i5 5i5 5i5 5i5 5i5 5j2 5j2 5ib 5ib 5ib 5ib 5ib 71a 71a 71b 71b 71b 7gk 7gk 7i6 7i6 7i6 8pk

 

Spoiler for AMFlooding:

1520

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4vn 4vn 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5ia 5ia 5ia 5ib 5ib 5ib 5ih 5ih 5ih 5ih 5io 5io 5jm 5jm 5jm 5jm 5jm 5jm 5jm 5jm 6u7 6u7 6u7 6u7 7gp 7gp 7gp 7gp 8pj

Spoiler for StealNymphs:

1000

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Spoiler for wtfbow:

1490

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5i4 5i4 5i4 5jm 5jm 5i5 5i5 5i5 5i5 5i5 5l9 5l9 5l9 5l9 5l9 5l9 61p 61p 61p 61p 61p 61p 7hi 7hi 7hi 7hi 7mt 7mt 7mt 7mt 8pp

Spoiler for Explosion Wardens:

1940

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596 596 596 596 596 5f6 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5ib 5ib 5ib 5ib 5j2 5j2 5j2 5j2 77e 77e 77e 77e 77e 77e 7dm 7dm 7gk 7gk 7gk 7gk 8po

 

Spoiler for 1270 CataTitan:

1270

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55k 55k 55k 576 576 561 561 561 55s 55s 55s 55s 56i 56i 5jm 5jm 5jm 5jm 5jm 5jm 5i7 5i7 7gn 7gn 7gn 7gn 7n2 7n2 7n2 7n2 8pl

 

Spoiler for Shard Golem:

2840

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59m 59m 5fu 5fu 5fu 5fu 5fu 5fu 5jm 5jm 5jm 5jm 5j2 5j2 5j2 5j2 5pa 5pa 5pa 5pa 5pa 5pa 786 786 786 786 7gn 7gn 7hi 7hi 8pm

 

Spoiler for SoFo:

1280

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55k 55k 55k 55k 55k 55t 55t 55t 56i 56i 56i 576 576 576 576 576 576 576 576 576 5ie 5ie 745 745 752 752 7gm 7gm 7gm 7gm 8pp

Spoiler for Toadmare:

1640

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5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5jm 5jm 5jm 5jm 5ie 5ie 5ie 5ie 5ie 5ie 5v1 5v1 5v1 5v1 5up 5up 7gk 7gk 7i6 7i6 7gm 7gm 7gm 7tb 7tb 7t9 8pt

Spoiler for Speed Poison:

1590

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5i4 5i4 5jm 5jm 5jm 5jm 5jm 5i5 5i5 5i5 5i5 5i5 5i5 5j2 5j2 5ib 5ib 5ib 5ib 5ib 71a 71a 71b 71b 71b 7gk 7gk 7i6 7i6 7i6 8pk

 

Spoiler for Rainbow Nymph for devtal, would remove reflective:

780

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Spoiler for GeneralVoid:

Works for most of what they have used against us except devtal. Only the 6 SoV need to be bought specifically for this deck (Dials and Vaggers from other decks)
Requires General

1850

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Spoiler for Devourer Poseidon:

Able to lockdown most of what they have ever sent against us

1865

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Spoiler for Rainbow Nymph for Devtal/psiontal. Could include nightmare.:

780

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[JonathanCrazyJ]

What Went Wrong? War 9's Vault:

Decks including cost in current market, and notes on what I think of them, colour coded for 'Might work' and 'drown unmercilessly'.

Spoiler for Hidden:

Spoiler for Grabbow:

Gone up by 400 cost since last war. Can no longer run mercenary version. Possibly better options out there for lower cost.
Grabbow is always good.

Cost 2230

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Spoiler for Nymphcord:

Janky Trio. I think PatientDevs+Trident is faster and generally better, plus harder to shutdown. Also, what is it doing with only 4 NT? If we want to keep it needs rebuilding for better reliability.

Cost 1250

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Spoiler for Patient Wardens:

Should be a staple deck of ours, but NEEDS TRIDENTS. If we want a cheaper version we could run without gemfinders, but the added speed of gems is brilliant and i'd rather not. Has increased in price by over 500. Wut.

Cost 1760

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Spoiler for Steamie Domin:

A staple deck, imo could do with some tweaking, but seems fairly cheap (despite going up by almost 400... i think i sense a theme here).
I'm happy to cull it if we run out of space, hardly our most surprising deck

Cost 1135

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5f6 5f6 5f6 5fb 5fb 5fb 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i7 5i7 5i7 5ii 5ii 5ii 5ii 5ii 5io 5io 5jm 5jm 5jm 7gk 7gk 7gk 7i6 7i6 7i6 7i6 8po

Spoiler for Air Stall:

Expensive. Gone up by 700. I feel like with all of the SoP decks we could run, people will be stallbreaking us. If we run this type of deck I'd suggest slimming it a bit, or running a Wings Domin instead.

Cost 2475

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Spoiler for Light Stall:

Gone up by 1200 POINTS. I have no idea why it needs 4 purify, and why it has no win condition of its own other than stall.
With dials it's probably our strongest all-out stall

Cost 2640

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Spoiler for Serpentine:

Reasonably cheap, effective deck. Can be easily modded and balanced should we wish.

Cost 1185

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Spoiler for Druid Fish:

Suprisingly cheap and unexpected.
doesn't help our 50% in vault restriction. Who would we actually want to use this against bearing in mind what they like to throw against us? Sure, it's unexpected, but if it is countered by the same things that usually counter us then what's the point. Needs thinking about, probably chuck.

Cost 1140

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Spoiler for Patient Vamps:

We should include this in some form, it's a good midrange deck in this meta and fairly versatile.
Needs modding. This could be a sideboard deck with voodoos where we could remove either steals, voodoos or cloaks depending on opponent.

Cost 1600

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Spoiler for Speed Poison:

An effective change of pace deck, but I would be SO MUCH better as a SoP deck. Makes it faster, more CC resistant.

Cost 1380

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Spoiler for Toadmare:

Heavy cost. A good domin. Could be made cheaper with fewer NMs and more damage.
I'm happy to cull if deemed unnecessary.

Cost 1660

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Spoiler for Air Domin:

Cheap, but would only run as a Wings domin.
The problem is, what does this do that another deck doesn't do better? We have better CC decks, this has no PC and is walled easily.

Cost 1150

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[JonathanCrazyJ]

These are simply decks I had ideas for, most of them are not optimized.

Spoiler for Mercenary CataT:

1130

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55k 55k 55k 55m 55m 55s 55s 55s 55s 561 561 561 576 576 5i7 5i7 5jm 5jm 5jm 5jm 5jm 5jm 7gn 7gn 7gn 7gn 7n2 7n2 7n2 7n2 8pl

Spoiler for Abyss Focus:

1330

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55p 55t 55t 55t 55t 5ie 5jm 5jm 5jm 5jm 5jm 5jm 5jm 5jm 5jm 5jm 5jm 5jm 74i 74i 752 752 752 752 7gm 7gm 7gm 7gm 7gm 7gp 8pl

Spoiler for UGNymph (Lt.):

1430

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5f9 5f9 5f9 5ie 5ie 5ie 5ie 5ie 5ie 5jm 5jm 5jm 5oc 5p0 5p0 5p0 5p0 5pu 7i6 7i6 7i6 7i6 7i6 7i6 7i6 7ms 7n0 7n0 7n0 7oe 8pr

Spoiler for Mutabow (better than you'd expect):

2020

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Spoiler for AMFlooding:

1280

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[RavingRabbid]

So I guess I should dump down all the decks I saved down

Spoiler for Wings Trio:

It used to lack a lot of damage, perhaps now with SoP it can be optimized to work

1770

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Spoiler for Reflector:

This should have worked as a mono-aether counterdeck from when aether won a war basically by mono-ing anyone. Never really tested it, and lost to any big sized stall

1080

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Spoiler for Life Stall:

I love stall, and wanted to run one without squids but with dryspells.

1740

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Spoiler for Taking a page out of Spike's playbook:

It's a tinkerer deck, but it's really overquanted. Still a nice deck tho.

illegal

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Spoiler for Black Wave:

There's a lot of concept behind this. I don't think I've ever seen a dark stall in war (except syphonary, but that's a light stall). I wanted to make a deck like this last war in time, but since Time has no permanent removal it didn't feel too good. The problem with Water Stalls is that you can't use bolts without being unable to kill by something that's not deckout. Here's SoV. Desic gives faster quanta, for bigger bolts earlier. Vagger and Drain Life give some much needed healing, which water can only access in the very inefficient Purify. Problem is the deck is a bit fat and has little quanta so it may start really slow.

2150

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Spoiler for Bone Fish:

Please don't hurt me it just started out because I wanted to name a deck bonefish. It's pray for mulligan gigantic. Concept is, push early damage with Physalias, ending burst with Dragons.

1330

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[JonathanCrazyJ]

I'll comment on the decks when I get home from work, but thought I'd say that tinkerer rules have changed, must be 50% in element, only PENDS count as in element

[JonathanCrazyJ]

So I guess I should dump down all the decks I saved down
I like the concept of this, but I'm just trying to think of when we would use it over a more standard wings stall (or a Blue Nymph deck with wings) After playing a few games it can work nicely but feels very inconsistent. I could be missing soumethign though so please let me know if there is a specific matchup where we would want wings with web

Spoiler for Wings Trio:

It used to lack a lot of damage, perhaps now with SoP it can be optimized to work

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Quite like the flies to fuel reflective, but it depends if we have space to support them in the vault. If there is space then something like this or a SkyBlitz, Dragons, flies and reflective deck could be a nice counter deck for later in war. Alternatively we could build a wtfpatience rush with damsels, flies and SoP

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This should have worked as a mono-aether counterdeck from when aether won a war basically by mono-ing anyone. Never really tested it, and lost to any big sized stall

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If we have space for lightstall and this, i'd be really happy. I like it a lot. My only concern is pufferfish, because only having a few creatures sort of dilutes the intention of the deck, and gives them easy focus. If we have to choose one i'd go with light stall because Sanc/dial/miracle

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I love stall, and wanted to run one without squids but with dryspells.

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I played around with making a legal version of this deck, but i always find myself thinking Swallow would be better because of SoFo and not having to waste card slots on SoR. I also struggled to make it work with the new tinkerer rules

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It's a tinkerer deck, but it's really overquanted. Still a nice deck tho.

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I absolutely love this. I think we should definitely include a version of this because it means we'd have a soldier version of SoV to use alongside th general version i posted before.

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There's a lot of concept behind this. I don't think I've ever seen a dark stall in war (except syphonary, but that's a light stall). I wanted to make a deck like this last war in time, but since Time has no permanent removal it didn't feel too good. The problem with Water Stalls is that you can't use bolts without being unable to kill by something that's not deckout. Here's SoV. Desic gives faster quanta, for bigger bolts earlier. Vagger and Drain Life give some much needed healing, which water can only access in the very inefficient Purify. Problem is the deck is a bit fat and has little quanta so it may start really slow.

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[RavingRabbid]

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Spoiler for Devourer Poseidon:

I like me some denial, and it seems stable enough.

Spoiler for Tinkerer Bonebolt:

I'm not sure 4 bolts and 3 dessis are enough to make the deck work. 4 Bonewalls could be enough, but adding any more cards would dilute damage too much. If we take this, we shouldn't take this as a first choice but as a counterdeck.

Spoiler for General Void:

When we played a similar deck in time last war, we had both hourglasses and sundials to speed up draw enough to make sure the chain didn't fall and we drew enough voids. A single light pillar may not be enough to ensure stability, but if you say it works well enough even through this, I'm fine w/ it.

Spoiler for Grabbow:

I grew to feel like Water Grabbow was kind of underwhelming and that mono-water was a better choice for a kind of rushy deck. I mean it's still a grabbow so it's good but it costs just so fucking much. Novas are legit for other surprise decks, tho.

Spoiler for Nymphcord:

Too many memories about this to properly judge it. I'd up the gravity pillars/pends and use toadies instead of crawlers for better eq protection/faster SoFos. The deck really needs a cont. stream of gravity quanta to work. Also there's no need for that many water pends.

Spoiler for Patient Wardens:

I love the idea behind the combo, but I've never managed to find one that felt fully satisfying

Spoiler for Fire Domin:

Very gimmicky and very counterable. Perhaps later in war.

Spoiler for AirStall:

I tend to not trust stalls with no healing and low damage. Will likely lose to any fractal deck with a creature that bypasses wings and is harder to remove than a Firefly.

Spoiler for LightStall:

Again, too little damage. The healing is good tho. I just prefer aggressively stalling.

Spoiler for Serpentine:

Looks like a deck. 6 basilisk bloods shouldn't strain the vault too much either. I can't see what it would beat that monowater with freezes woudln't.

Spoiler for Druid Fish:

Eh. Adrenaline Puffer is a slow combo. Adrenaline staves are nice. It's a big investment. If we really have a lot of margin in vault...

Spoiler for Patient Vamps:

Big eh. It feels very easy to counter. Kinda looks like any other sop deck, as vampires will only be healing after the sopping's over.

Spoiler for Speed Poison:

Needed. It's an easy deck to test for/counter and they may very well dilute their decks (i.e. novabows) adding in purifies. The scare of it is often enough. I also like it with bonewalls to halt big hitters. It being easy to counter is problematic at times.

Spoiler for Toadmare:

I absolutely love this deck idea and will defend the idea to bring it no matter what

Spoiler for Air Domin:

When I built this back in war #3/#4 it had fogs instead of ice shields for a reason. Cheap to drop, and don't delay damage.

[JonathanCrazyJ]

I like almost all of those points.
Bonebolt's idea was similar to Bonestorm (4 Tstorm 4 shockwaves). It actually plays ok, just need to wait that little bit longer before starting the stall. Could definitely be optimized though, and i don't mind chucking it, although we should deffo use bonewall in some way.

I kind of agree that water has never really built a world class grabbow, I'm happy to scrap in favor of a different Nova tactic, or none at all.

Never managed to make nymphcord work like I want it to. this is why you're here as a water vet, so please construct a nymphcord how you'd like it and we can do some testing. i love the idea in principal.

Patient Wardens is a beast of a deck. here is the build i would suggest, though using it with Lt. would be better for more gemfinders:

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Agree scrap fire domin, Druidfish, Airstall (but i'd like a wings domin)

lightstall, gin and I were talking about the other day. Morning Glory and possibly Nymph queens, or upgrading two of the ice bolts allows for OTK, giving it a win con.

BB is double as effective as freeze even unupgraded which is what makes Serpentine so nice, but I do think we should include mono-water with earth mark in the vault.

Toadmare should stay if possible.

How about this for speed poison:

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We really should include a Dims/Fractal deck too.

[RavingRabbid]

Rather than Fractal, I remember we had more success with a PU Dragon/Dim Deck.

[JonathanCrazyJ]

Rather than Fractal, I remember we had more success with a PU Dragon/Dim Deck.

yes, I'm happy with that instead. makes OTK easier.

Oh I did have an idea to mimic Darkness's Drainbolt, but the lack of extra healing from Vagger and Drain life is less that ideal, although weapon PC is nice.
It's crap really which is why i didn't share it earlier, but i might as well throw it in there in case i'm missing a reason why it would be good

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Putting this in for entropy and gravity

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Cheap devtal/psiontal counter. Fog or more pillars can replace reflectives

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