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« Reply #12 on: August 16, 2016, 04:56:32 pm »
Awesome work guys!!! Sorry for not much help but will add some thoughts later.
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Re: Deck Layout https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=62574.msg1241523#msg1241523
« Reply #13 on: August 16, 2016, 09:08:29 pm »
i have a pastebin with more than 120 decks, taken from forum: i will post them fully upped, because probably aren't good for war, but can inspire something

sor water creatures:

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not original and terrible

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it's easy reach a 50% water, sofo can probably be dropped the deck is expensive as hell

tu machine

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i remember that the pillars split is terrible, but the idea is decent against some elements, steams are underrated and against stalls are awesome

random ideas:

wings with ice bolts and puffer fish: i have see death running something similar in a war, improved poison is better than everything, but i don't think is a bad idea
something similar to the mariana trench by jonathan in trials, sov is cheap

is so hard find decks with 50% water lol

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Re: Deck Layout https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=62574.msg1241525#msg1241525
« Reply #14 on: August 16, 2016, 09:36:46 pm »
is so hard find decks with 50% water lol

yup, there are not very many apart from in trials or war. :P

The Mariana Trench (thanks for using its name!) is already included, but we are working on a SoV deck that soldiers can use too, because the sundial version needs full general upgrades, so we want to build an SoV deck that soldiers can use too.
Sadly most of the decks you posted are great, but basically only work fully upgraded. However there are some good things to take from them:
-SoR deck is sadly a write off, we gain no advantage by using SoR because it is still blocked by all of our usual counters, wings, denial, gravity shield etc.
-Nt Blue Nymph is a really nice idea, i experimented with it in trials. It can work against certain opponents, but struggles without being upgraded because the extra upgrades both increase quanta production and the strength of the nymph it creates, plus allowing SoBr to be used off the mark. However, the Nymph deck I posted here covers the same counters, though obviously not everyone has 4 nymphs. I will do some testing and get back to you, because I do like the idea!
-DBH, this is actually called Nymphcord, and I think we should include it. However it's one of the hardest decks to balance, so needs a lot of testing. At least 4 of the pillars should be pendulums to allow a discord one turn earlier.
-TU machine. Again, the problem with Steam machine is that it is great in an open meta, but it is easily countered by everything that usually counters water, so in war it's actually not that useful. TU, however is an excellent idea. Combining with Dim shield and Dragons, you can achieve a Stall to OHK deck, which we will probably include, thanks for bringing it up :)

All in all, really good work, thanks manuel :)

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Re: Deck Layout https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=62574.msg1241536#msg1241536
« Reply #15 on: August 16, 2016, 11:50:24 pm »
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This is what I came up with, wanting to slim down the deck, but:
-Steals not needed against shields, and weapons can be soft-PCed by bolts.
-Because SoV works its way through opponent health, bolts can ,be used as CC freely, making dessi less useful against SOME opponents.
-thinner deck means more consistant SoV.

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-Against some match-ups both Steal and Dessi are really useful. The hard thing is keeping it slim enough that Sov is a speedy threat, and including all of the cards that would make it effective Vs. certain opponents.
-I think we should work on this some more, and aim to include both dessi and steals, but run it as a SIDEBOARD deck. This way, we could drop unnecessary steals, dessi or even shields.
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Re: Deck Layout https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=62574.msg1241568#msg1241568
« Reply #16 on: August 17, 2016, 12:22:25 pm »
So in testing, it always seemed like the first Toadfish was easy to get out against DBH,  but anything from the mark wasn't.

Tinkerer, and cheap as hell. Very happy with this.

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Should work against DBH, CataTitan and Gravity shield.

EDIT: Beat DBH easilly in testing, and would work against many opponents. Adding to OP.
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« Reply #17 on: August 17, 2016, 09:21:01 pm »
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i think with our 2 options against gravity we can move on from them now. next up is earth

watching the last matches up water-earth a  :death :water with bone walls and poison with some cc is the best choice, it autolose "only" against disquake or devquake; i have no idea on how to counter these two decks with a duo 50% water lol


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« Reply #18 on: August 18, 2016, 08:09:19 pm »
Would one option against :death death be Flooding/Antimatter? Unless they can achieve OTK through a 2 DR shield it should be fine against fractal, would beat death rush probably too.

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alternatively go Death V Death and run a sideboard deck similar to this:

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If fractal, Bonewall and flooding before the fractal could be funny as hell.
Sideboard: remove, purify, flooding, patience or even bone wall depending on the match-up?
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« Reply #19 on: August 19, 2016, 09:15:56 am »
Apparently we can't use cygnia to test Shard of Void, it doesn't lower the health cap.
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« Reply #20 on: August 21, 2016, 10:56:54 am »
OK so it's the last day of my holiday, so from tomorrow i'll be fully back in action.
But while the wedding was going on, and the mariage person was talking in dutch so I didn't have a clue what was going on, I daydreamed about earth.
They have quite a lot of balance in what they have used against us, pulvy/bb domin, fractal golems, Wings etc.
I'd like to test how trident/dev does against pulvy domin, whether it has fast enough denial to neutalize pulvy. if it does, it is a strong prospect.
I have an idea about running Swallow with SoFos, Gravity shield and Permafrost. Permafrost would remove the threat of grabbies, and Gravy shield of their other creatures, can pick which one to use depending on match-up.
Toadmare is also a nice idea good against both fractal dims and their domin.
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« Reply #21 on: August 21, 2016, 12:30:03 pm »
in the last 3 wars puvly domin was probably the easiest match up (something like 5 match win, 1 lost against pulvy bow), idk if because was predicted or because pc against water isn't really needed (or wasn't needed)

testing dev trident vs pulvy domin in the trainer (restarting everytime ai is too dumb to use pulvy), and unupped isn't the fastest denial deck in the game, against wings should be better



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Re: Deck Layout https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=62574.msg1242009#msg1242009
« Reply #23 on: August 21, 2016, 08:05:05 pm »
Ok, testing against myself:

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Went
5-0 against BB/Pulvy domin
4-1 against wings/EE deck
4-1 against grabbow
3-2 against Fractal with 2 PA, the 2 wins were exclusively due to PA, and PA showed up in all matches, including the 3 wins.

That's all for now, but i certainly like Toadmare vs earth
« Last Edit: August 21, 2016, 08:12:04 pm by JonathanCrazyJ »
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