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Countering Decks https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=14021.msg176957#msg176957
« on: October 15, 2010, 02:42:58 pm »
The purpose of this tread is to come up with counter decks to various elements because I think it is a nice idea to make counter decks, we we shouldn't lose ourselves into that, because that might be noticed.

But some elements are doable to make a counter, for example the deck I created the first war for my battle against rotface, who played aether.

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This deck makes a lot of aethers cards useless (or near useless): for example: dim shield is beaten by poison, PU is beaten by the fact that I can't damage myself (considering I have an ice shield up), fractal is beaten by flooding, immortality is beaten by ice shield, etc. The ice bolts can be used to control your opponent, or for a killing blow (which passes ice shield too).

With the new cards, I think you could use poisons and death pendulums. The only cards that can cause problems are lobotomizer and mind gate. The lobo can be countered by playing all chrys at once, and the mind gate is countered nicely by using death pendulums, meaning your opponent won't have a way to generate water quanta. The only cards that can cause problems are the poisons in that case, so you might want to leave them out (or use two arsenics).
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Re: Countering Decks https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=14021.msg176967#msg176967
« Reply #1 on: October 15, 2010, 02:50:40 pm »
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This is a risky deck-out deck I thought about. I don't even know if it really works.
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Re: Countering Decks https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=14021.msg176970#msg176970
« Reply #2 on: October 15, 2010, 02:53:34 pm »
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Another deck I thought of.

Slow down your opponent with Nightmare, and set out your Voodoo poison bomb.

IceBolts for extra damage.
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Re: Countering Decks https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=14021.msg176971#msg176971
« Reply #3 on: October 15, 2010, 02:55:44 pm »
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Re: Countering Decks https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=14021.msg176978#msg176978
« Reply #4 on: October 15, 2010, 03:17:26 pm »
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This is a risky deck-out deck I thought about. I don't even know if it really works.
You could even add some antimatters. Antimatter + Flooding can be really powerful.
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Re: Countering Decks https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=14021.msg176982#msg176982
« Reply #5 on: October 15, 2010, 03:19:36 pm »
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This is a risky deck-out deck I thought about. I don't even know if it really works.
You could even add some antimatters. Antimatter + Flooding can be really powerful.
What do you think Nymph Tears is for?
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Re: Countering Decks https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=14021.msg177024#msg177024
« Reply #6 on: October 15, 2010, 04:43:15 pm »
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This is a risky deck-out deck I thought about. I don't even know if it really works.
You could even add some antimatters. Antimatter + Flooding can be really powerful.
What do you think Nymph Tears is for?
Ah, I totally missed those.

Another suggestion, take out one or two squids, and replace them with ice shields.

O, and if you really want to go for a deck out, you might want to add a few more cards ;)
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Re: Countering Decks https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=14021.msg177076#msg177076
« Reply #7 on: October 15, 2010, 06:24:27 pm »
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This is a risky deck-out deck I thought about. I don't even know if it really works.
You could even add some antimatters. Antimatter + Flooding can be really powerful.
What do you think Nymph Tears is for?
Ah, I totally missed those.

Another suggestion, take out one or two squids, and replace them with ice shields.

O, and if you really want to go for a deck out, you might want to add a few more cards ;)
Squids are both for freeze and butterfly. Yeah, don't put Chrysaoras, squid are more versatile.
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Re: Countering Decks https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=14021.msg177082#msg177082
« Reply #8 on: October 15, 2010, 06:33:56 pm »
*stops quoting*

But you still need more cards, so you could just ADD the ice shields, and also some antimatters (it is a pain to have to wait for a nymphs tears).
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Re: Countering Decks https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=14021.msg177111#msg177111
« Reply #9 on: October 15, 2010, 07:12:58 pm »
We do you need more cards? 31 guarantees a win through deck out against a deck without Reverse Time.

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Re: Countering Decks https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=14021.msg177137#msg177137
« Reply #10 on: October 15, 2010, 08:09:24 pm »
We do you need more cards? 31 guarantees a win through deck out against a deck without Reverse Time.
Only if they use a deck that has 30 cards. And you can check in the war archive, if people were expecting a deckout they took decks of 36 or 37 cards, so 31 won't be enough then.
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Re: Countering Decks https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=14021.msg177186#msg177186
« Reply #11 on: October 15, 2010, 09:26:48 pm »
Oh, giant facepalm. Beating a deck-out deck is kind of tricky if they have a variable number of cards. I'd aim for 33 or something, to beat out those who go with 32 to beat those who go with 31. It also tries to minimize the impact of having a large deck.

 

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