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Re: Steam Machine https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=7164.msg226725#msg226725
« Reply #216 on: December 17, 2010, 07:41:20 pm »
I can't say I dislike this, but it screws up one of my fav decks.
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Re: Steam Machine https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=7164.msg226875#msg226875
« Reply #217 on: December 17, 2010, 11:24:02 pm »
I like this. A lot.
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Re: Steam Machine https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=7164.msg226880#msg226880
« Reply #218 on: December 17, 2010, 11:30:59 pm »
Really like this change. It makes it just a little more useful while still keeping it balanced :)
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Re: Steam Machine https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=7164.msg227021#msg227021
« Reply #219 on: December 18, 2010, 02:33:59 am »
Well, I've never seen this card as UP... Actually it was a great card before the buff. Maybe now it'll be OP, and then nerfed (probably by upping the cost, like fractal, and then changed again because...) but meh :P

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Re: Steam Machine https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=7164.msg227023#msg227023
« Reply #220 on: December 18, 2010, 02:37:35 am »
I like it. Still way weaker than Lavas. It cost 2  :fire, lavas cost 1 :earth and it loses damage slowly.


Totally fair.

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Re: Steam Machine https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=7164.msg227042#msg227042
« Reply #221 on: December 18, 2010, 03:12:51 am »
AWESOME!!!!

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Re: Steam Machine https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=7164.msg227113#msg227113
« Reply #222 on: December 18, 2010, 05:13:28 am »
I like it. Still way weaker than Lavas. It cost 2  :fire, lavas cost 1 :earth and it loses damage slowly.


Totally fair.
I still say you guys are crazy.  This monster now grows twice as fast as a golem.  In a stall, steamers were already violent, now thwy will bew insane.

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Re: Steam Machine https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=7164.msg227141#msg227141
« Reply #223 on: December 18, 2010, 05:59:47 am »
I like it. Still way weaker than Lavas. It cost 2  :fire, lavas cost 1 :earth and it loses damage slowly.


Totally fair.
I still say you guys are crazy.  This monster now grows twice as fast as a golem.  In a stall, steamers were already violent, now thwy will bew insane.
I guess I'm kind of in the middle here. The growth rate definitely is pretty amazing, but I wouldn't say either is better than the other. Both have the same net quantum cost-to-growth rate, Golem is faster (ttw), Steam Machine is more resilient (hp). The main difference here is to which element they belong and what kind of decks they lend themselves to.

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Re: Steam Machine https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=7164.msg227144#msg227144
« Reply #224 on: December 18, 2010, 06:04:35 am »
I like this. A lot.
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Re: Steam Machine https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=7164.msg227169#msg227169
« Reply #225 on: December 18, 2010, 06:59:12 am »
I still say you guys are crazy.  This monster now grows twice as fast as a golem.  In a stall, steamers were already violent, now thwy will bew insane.
It isn't guaranteed damage. If it dies to CC immediately or is lobotomized you will have done no damage. It is also harder to have many Steam Machines because they use up more quantum. It is very vulnerable to freeze and basilisk blood because it will lose 3/6 damage over the time it cannot attack. The high cost of its ability makes immortality pricey because you have to invest a decent amount of quantum in water, fire, and aether. I see your point and think that this card will be pretty strong. However, what good cards does water have besides this? Permafrost shield I guess, and purify is unique, but they have a lot of weak cards, especially unupped.

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Re: Steam Machine https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=7164.msg227175#msg227175
« Reply #226 on: December 18, 2010, 07:13:04 am »
However, what good cards does water have besides this? Permafrost shield I guess, and purify is unique, but they have a lot of weak cards, especially unupped.

Toadfish is one of the best attackers in the game by (electrum) cost.  Mind Flayer is a very fast loboer and can, along with Ice Bolt, totally destroy most growth-based rushbows (Graboids not included).  Nymphs Tears is incredible in the right deck.  Abyss Crawler is a very decent attacker.  Freeze is one of the best CC cards in the game.  Really, people think unupped Water is weak because of Blue Crawler and Ice Dragon, and that's about it.
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Re: Steam Machine https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=7164.msg227176#msg227176
« Reply #227 on: December 18, 2010, 07:15:46 am »
However, what good cards does water have besides this? Permafrost shield I guess, and purify is unique, but they have a lot of weak cards, especially unupped.

Toadfish is one of the best attackers in the game by (electrum) cost.  Mind Flayer is a very fast loboer and can, along with Ice Bolt, totally destroy most growth-based rushbows (Graboids not included).  Nymphs Tears is incredible in the right deck.  Abyss Crawler is a very decent attacker.  Freeze is one of the best CC cards in the game.  Really, people think unupped Water is weak because of Blue Crawler and Ice Dragon, and that's about it.
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