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Re: Steam Machine https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=7164.msg226419#msg226419
« Reply #204 on: December 17, 2010, 07:20:20 am »
This would be a nice addition to CCYB or at the least a replacement for a Destroyer.
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Re: Steam Machine https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=7164.msg226424#msg226424
« Reply #205 on: December 17, 2010, 07:23:14 am »
This would be a nice addition to CCYB or at the least a replacement for a Destroyer.
Interferes with Permafrost though

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Re: Steam Machine https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=7164.msg226438#msg226438
« Reply #206 on: December 17, 2010, 07:36:12 am »
I know it would be a little water quanta heavy, but I think I'd like the extra damage buff.
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Re: Steam Machine https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=7164.msg226506#msg226506
« Reply #207 on: December 17, 2010, 12:28:54 pm »
Oh god, it was already powerful. This is sick.. in an awesome way.
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Re: Steam Machine https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=7164.msg226561#msg226561
« Reply #208 on: December 17, 2010, 03:01:30 pm »
Oh god, it was already powerful. This is sick.. in an awesome way.
I agree.  The steam machine was plenty powerful before; I beat a number of folk with steam machine based decks.  Now it literally may be the strongest critter in the game.  Graviton firemaster now calls for a buff.

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Re: Steam Machine https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=7164.msg226577#msg226577
« Reply #209 on: December 17, 2010, 03:24:10 pm »
Oh god, it was already powerful. This is sick.. in an awesome way.
I agree.  The steam machine was plenty powerful before; I beat a number of folk with steam machine based decks.  Now it literally may be the strongest critter in the game.  Graviton firemaster now calls for a buff.
firemaster is cheap and can grow from mark,
machine still loses attack and costs more fire ;)
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Re: Steam Machine https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=7164.msg226639#msg226639
« Reply #210 on: December 17, 2010, 05:22:07 pm »
Firemaster can also be played from mark, one way or the other :)

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Re: Steam Machine https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=7164.msg226649#msg226649
« Reply #211 on: December 17, 2010, 05:40:24 pm »
Steam Machine was never really that powerful before this buff, and I haven't been convinced otherwise yet.  Sure, it has been thrown around in a variety of decks, most often paired with SoR, but it still was rarely used in any mainstream deck, at least when compared to Destroyer or even Forest Spirit.  Skittles was the closest to using Steam Machine to its full potential, but CCYB still shined over it.

Hopefully, after this needed buff, Steam Machine will see more use.  Obviously we'll have to see it post-patch, but I'm not sure if, even then, it will see popular use.
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Re: Steam Machine https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=7164.msg226652#msg226652
« Reply #212 on: December 17, 2010, 05:51:21 pm »
pretty hardcore strong now, helps to buff a much needed element

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Re: Steam Machine https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=7164.msg226670#msg226670
« Reply #213 on: December 17, 2010, 06:11:32 pm »
pretty hardcore strong now, helps to buff a much needed element
water just needs some buffs/medium creatures for unupped, there are weaker elements atm wich need more attention if you start to talk like this ;)
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Re: Steam Machine https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=7164.msg226717#msg226717
« Reply #214 on: December 17, 2010, 07:28:26 pm »
water just needs some buffs/medium creatures for unupped
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Re: Steam Machine https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=7164.msg226724#msg226724
« Reply #215 on: December 17, 2010, 07:40:38 pm »
Steam Machine was never really that powerful before this buff, and I haven't been convinced otherwise yet.  Sure, it has been thrown around in a variety of decks, most often paired with SoR, but it still was rarely used in any mainstream deck, at least when compared to Destroyer or even Forest Spirit.  Skittles was the closest to using Steam Machine to its full potential, but CCYB still shined over it.

Hopefully, after this needed buff, Steam Machine will see more use.  Obviously we'll have to see it post-patch, but I'm not sure if, even then, it will see popular use.
This type of argument I just cant agree with.
If we're taking about growing creature for rainbow deck, Golem is obvious choice over Steam not because Steam is bad, but because of two other things: you use water quanta for stalling (arguably OP Permafrost), and Golems, being in element of extreme damage :fire , is and SHOULD be faster and more threatening than such water creature.

Way to increase its usage is to develop better synergies and combos.
When looking at usage of a creature, first awesome, but not nearly as used as awesome it is, creature that comes to mind is Flesh Recluse. One of the best creatures in the game has one place in mainstream speedbow decks IF you want to take it over Arsenic. And of course has its place in its dedicated decks (mono death, death/air etc), but you dont see it jumping from every deck around like you see Graboids or Golems, or even Frogs, just because its home element is not as attractive.

Point is, the fact that you dont see a card used everywhere doesnt warrant a buff. Same can be said for some other buffs in this patch, but whatever makes grinding easier, makes people happy. If one of those were used by FGs, I'm sure we'd see whining just like we saw when Puffers got its actually deserved buff.

 

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