War - Standings

[Kael Hate]

Interesting that Entropy were in breech of there Team order but where given no penalty or instruction to fix it.

[Daxx]

Interesting that Entropy were in breech of there Team order but where given no penalty or instruction to fix it.

IIRC Entropy's team order changed quite frequently, which might explain it.

[Kael Hate]

Interesting that Entropy were in breech of there Team order but where given no penalty or instruction to fix it.

IIRC Entropy's team order changed quite frequently, which might explain it.

We (team Darkness) were instructed to use Member Roles topic for order of players and a penalty would be issued if we did not update the file as such. Team Entropy did not and don't seem to have been questioned. Never posted a vault changes value either so really could have had cards change into anything along the way. Not saying its cheating just not doing the paperwork to prevent such. Note: I have no personal bias to Team Entropy, they have just come under scrutiny due to their win and the fact I hate double standards.

[Dragoon1140]

Now that we mention it, I had no idea positions could be changed, else another Aether member (likely Boingo, depends) would have become the Substitute after another Aether member left.

[ddevans96]

Team positions could not be changed. Team order however could.

[Xinef]

EDIT: ninja'd

Now that we mention it, I had no idea positions could be changed, else another Aether member (likely Boingo, depends) would have become the Substitute after another Aether member left.

It seems that this rule was only mentioned in "War General Private Area", but only changing the order was legal. Jobs like General, Lieutenant and Substitute couldn't be changed for sure, since they have unique advantages, while the remaining jobs were only a suggestion what should that person do, so there was no reason to officially change those jobs between people.

The following post serves two purposes.

1. It shows everyone their member role in the team.
2. It shows the Warmasters the preferred order in which the team fights if they don't have enough cards for everyone to fight.

Teams are allowed to change the order at any time by modifying the post.

[Sir Valimont]

Interesting that Entropy were in breech of there Team order but where given no penalty or instruction to fix it.

IIRC Entropy's team order changed quite frequently, which might explain it.

We (team Darkness) were instructed to use Member Roles topic for order of players and a penalty would be issued if we did not update the file as such. Team Entropy did not and don't seem to have been questioned. Never posted a vault changes value either so really could have had cards change into anything along the way. Not saying its cheating just not doing the paperwork to prevent such. Note: I have no personal bias to Team Entropy, they have just come under scrutiny due to their win and the fact I hate double standards.

Our impression as far as I can tell was that Team Order was a separate concern from Member Roles entirely. We did in fact change our Team Order a few times towards the end of war when certain players were going to be absent, etc so we would not have to substitute. We generally PMed the Warmaster ahead of time to let him know about the changes and okay them. I don't know if that clears anything up ...

[Kael Hate]

Our impression as far as I can tell was that Team Order was a separate concern from Member Roles entirely. We did in fact change our Team Order a few times towards the end of war when certain players were going to be absent, etc so we would not have to substitute. We generally PMed the Warmaster ahead of time to let him know about the changes and okay them. I don't know if that clears anything up ...

So why was it ok for you to have your own topic the way you felt and to PM the warmaster and not ok for us to do so?

[ddevans96]

Because I was under the impression that they were informing me of their member order in case I did not see their changes to the member roles thread. Is that not correct?

[Amilir]

I'm confused KH.  Are you complaining about this: 

Teams can have their own way of doing things (for example General doing all the Vault updating) but member roles that get bonuses, like the Lieutenant, cannot be changed."

Or about this: 

All teams must maintain a sticky topic in their secret forum section that lists players in a numerical order from 1 to 9. This list tells the Warmasters the order in which the players will join a round in case the team has less than 270 cards. Teams are allowed to change the order at any time depending on their player availability.

[Kael Hate]

Because I was under the impression that they were informing me of their member order in case I did not see their changes to the member roles thread. Is that not correct?

I'm confused KH.  Are you complaining about this: 

Teams can have their own way of doing things (for example General doing all the Vault updating) but member roles that get bonuses, like the Lieutenant, cannot be changed."

Or about this: 

All teams must maintain a sticky topic in their secret forum section that lists players in a numerical order from 1 to 9. This list tells the Warmasters the order in which the players will join a round in case the team has less than 270 cards. Teams are allowed to change the order at any time depending on their player availability.

When I had our own topic, I was told it wasn't correct and to use the members roles topic as sticky to show order and if I did not I would recieve penalty, yet it was ok for you the whole war. Seems odd to me.

this was taken from the members roles topic I was instructed to use

The following post serves two purposes.

1. It shows everyone their member role in the team.
2. It shows the Warmasters the preferred order in which the team fights if they don't have enough cards for everyone to fight.

With the Vault, I was told we had to leave an entry showing every time it was changed or we would recieve penalty yet the whole war you did not. Seems odd to me.

and a quote from your own vault

When you edit the Vault, please post on this topic, explaining what edits you made. For example:

Round 1:
Salvage +24
Discard -18

You do not have to list specific cards. Changes might take up to 5 minutes to become visible.

[Sir Valimont]

We (team Darkness) were instructed to use Member Roles topic for order of players and a penalty would be issued if we did not update the file as such.

Unfortunately you received bad information in that case. In fact there was no rule requiring teams to use the Member Roles topic for changes to team order. The only relation between the two was that Member Roles served as a default for team order. A separate team order thread or posts specifically altering it were in no way countermanded. The separate thread was the method our team used.