War #9 - Planned Changes (Discussion)

[ddevans96]

welcome to being a WM

Took the words out of my mind.

[majofa]

I'm not saying market is bad, just that it's not necessarily needed this time with Shards freshening up the meta enough by themselves.

[Avenger]

I'm not saying market is bad, just that it's not necessarily needed this time with Shards freshening up the meta enough by themselves.

I agree, we have too many changes that are untested.

[Submachine]

I'm not saying market is bad, just that it's not necessarily needed this time with Shards freshening up the meta enough by themselves.

I agree, we have too many changes that are untested.

We cannot know whether it's bad or not until we tested it. It's better to test everything in one go than waiting 2 wars just to test 2 things separately (especially considering that the WMs will probably change and so will their intentions).

[Espithel]

I'm not saying market is bad, just that it's not necessarily needed this time with Shards freshening up the meta enough by themselves.

I agree, we have too many changes that are untested.

We cannot know whether it's bad or not until we tested it. It's better to test everything in one go than waiting 2 wars just to test 2 things separately (especially considering that the WMs will probably change and so will their intentions).

I personally agree given how long it is between wars,

But doesn't like, science say to only test one variable at a time?

[deuce22]

atm, seems like there will be so many changes that war will become an entirely new team-based event. I am of the philosophy of changing a little at a time and keeping things as simple as possible.

While I appreciate the amount of work that goes into managing vaults for WMs, and a market system will help fix that. I am very skeptical of this "market" concept from the players point of view. It will be like playing round 1 of war every round...

[Dm]

atm, seems like there will be so many changes that war will become an entirely new team-based event. I am of the philosophy of changing a little at a time and keeping things as simple as possible.

While I appreciate the amount of work that goes into managing vaults for WMs, and a market system will help fix that. I am very skeptical of this "market" concept from the players point of view. It will be like playing round 1 of war every round...

1. The starting amount is much higher than any amount you can gather throughout the game
2. You won't be able to buy a vault every other round
3. Your money balance is limited by how well you fare (and this is up to debate whether the implementation is in or out), which means that even if it is in, it's practically a salvage

It's not a first round of war every round.

I -personally- believe Shards are a minor change. Market is the big change here. Shards are just a bonus.

Sure, if you want we can just scrap our work and copy last war rules and add at the end "PS: You can place shards in decks and  vaults now kthxbye". Not too much of a change though.

[majofa]

Shards and interesting roles!

Since WMs aren't gonna budge on the market idea, can you at least post it sooner than later?

[Dm]

Shards and interesting roles!

Since WMs aren't gonna budge on the market idea, can you at least post it sooner than later?

I'll give you roles are a change, yeah. Shards not so much.

And yes, we can! Let me (and possibly our other WMs, as I believe that WWW said he'd be semi inactive throughout july) wrap up our current in real works and issues

IIRC we already worked out card prices more or less, it's in a spreadsheet somewhere.

[CrockettRocket]

Shards - you're already practically rating cards on their power level, do the same with shards and have them unlimited

Auction vs draft: I think draft was better and way more exciting from outside perspective

Roles: Reassignable imho, but I don't think if you didn't originally pick one of the roles that you should be able to swap out

Market: I think it's cool but I also think it's rather confusing, so personally Id rather play without it

Sideboard: Yes please

Upgrades: "One of the thoughts we had about this was either have a role where one card can permanently upgrade a card or similar" I prefer this option, I think it would diversify the event more, and for the better

Soft bans: Opinion on that latter, when it comes out

[deuce22]

My interpretation of the market was each team has x amount of money to spend on cards in a round. And how much money you can spend varies from round to round. I am probably wrong with this assumption, but as majors said, we need more info

[majofa]

My interpretation of the market was each team has x amount of money to spend on cards in a round. And how much money you can spend varies from round to round. I am probably wrong with this assumption, but as majors said, we need more info

Mine was different -

You got x amount of money before the auction. You used that money to get players and the remaining amount you used to buy cards. Each round you gain money for a win and lose money for a loss. (and could buy/sell cards accordingly)