War #8 - Suggestions and Feedback

[dragonsdemesne]

I am shocked.  mrpaper has been accused of naughty behaviour again.  /sarcasm.

[RavingRabbid]

Now, even with a calmer mind, I find that the whole screenshot thing needs adressing. It's needless complication over what has been the system for the past 4/5 years, which has been the honor system. The magical replay doesn't sort out the thing, and the core issue is still there.
In this case, the fix to an issue is worse than the issue itself. It's unsatisfactory and still favours forcing desyncs even more heavily than before.

[theelkspeaks]

Has it ever been possible to intentionally force a desync other than by intentionally dying on your own turn, such as by blowing 5 UGs into a mirror?

[RavingRabbid]

Has it ever been possible to intentionally force a desync other than by intentionally dying on your own turn, such as by blowing 5 UGs into a mirror?

Yes. I won't expand, due to obvious reasons, but I've been able to force timeouts, which are not real desyncs but are considered desyncs in the rules. Actual desyncs, with the yellow/red ! mark shouldn't be reliably forceable, even if I had managed to by running some odd immortal/graboid & pande combinations. I don't know if it still happens, but it used to cause bugs.

[theelkspeaks]

Has it ever been possible to intentionally force a desync other than by intentionally dying on your own turn, such as by blowing 5 UGs into a mirror?

Yes. I won't expand, due to obvious reasons, but I've been able to force timeouts, which are not real desyncs but are considered desyncs in the rules. Actual desyncs, with the yellow/red ! mark shouldn't be reliably forceable, even if I had managed to by running some odd immortal/graboid & pande combinations. I don't know if it still happens, but it used to cause bugs.

Fair enough.  Wasn't aware the causes of desync/timeout were well-known enough to be used.

[Helston]

Don't timeouts cause a game loss on your side, or am I confusing those with outright disconnections?

[serprex]

ECs should've been less afraid of stirring things up, that's their purpose

Side boards should be standard for every match (not have to be fit in through EC or roles)

Something I'm not sure about is rules vs rulings. While WMs should be able to override rules in any situation they deem as such, players want to know what to expect from rules. Also players don't want to have to have complete faith that WMs are unbiased towards any teams, even unintentionally. I'm uncertain how best to resolve this. Perhaps it's best to leave it as a player responsibility

[Avenger]

Don't timeouts cause a game loss on your side, or am I confusing those with outright disconnections?

I don't know how do you decide which side caused the timeout. Losing by timeout would be extremely unfair. Even more unfair than the current screenshot "solution".

[Helston]

I meant a loss according to the game client. I didn't understand what RR meant by timeout, and at least a couple of times in the past my internet's dropped out mid-game and I was promptly shown the loss screen.

[Chapuz]

To avoid timeout problems, disconections and all that stuff, maybe someone who knows a bit of JavaScript can make an exact copy of the actual cards, which some of them have been slightly modified, in a new server hosting oetg-v

[ARTHANASIOS]

My Personal War#9 Rules' Suggestions

Spoiler for My personal ideal War rules:

1 Building an Army 2 Preparation 3 Rounds 4 Postbattle 5 Penalties
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1 BUILDING AN ARMY
1.1 GENERALS
War will have 12 Generals, one for each element. Masters are the Generals of their element by default. If a Master is unable to join War, he or she will appoint a replacement General (Sr. Member or above). If a Master does not appoint a General, one will be picked by the Council.
 
Generals are given 25 RELICS. These RELICS will be used as currency when drafting players during the next phase. Later they will be used as an extra consumable source to include more upps to your deck.

1.2 PLAYER DRAFT
Players wanting to join War must start their own War application topic in the War Auction board where they should include relevant information. Players may ban up to 3 elements from bidding on them. However, each ban increases the minimum bid for that player by 1 RELIC. Players must include their in game name. All war matches must be played by them through that same in game name.

Players may also select any number of favorite elements. Favorite elements will be used as a tie-breaker during the draft. Not listing all non-banned elements may subject the player to a cointoss in case of a tie.

Both banned and favorite elements cannot change once bidding starts.

nb There are no guarantees you will be drafted by who you want. Drafted players who refuse to participate will be removed from the event & banned from next War.

The draft will occur over the course of 3 days.

During the Draft Phase, generals have 3 days in which they must submit a bid upon at least 5 players; the vote can vary from 1 RELIC(minium) to 5 RELICS(maximum) via private message to the WMs. The order in which the names of the players are mentioned within the PMs is going to be used to determine the player prefference the general has shown in case of equal RELIC bids.

A general cannot bid RELICS to players who:

• Have banned the general's element.

If a tie occurs where 2 or more generals bid the same amount of RELICS, the tie is broken based on the player's favorite elements. If the player does not have a favourtie element between the teams that bid to him/her, the player will be randomized to a team by the WMs.

If a team fails to draft a player for whatever reason, then they will have all of their remaining RELICS discarded and draft one of the remaining players via randomization. (To prevent this, Generals are encouraged to make sure they bid a big enough list of players and make sure their bid is high enough for each player)

2 PREPARATION
2.1 SECRET FORUM SECTION
Each team has a hidden subboard visible only to its members, Warmasters and non-participating Administrators. All discussions held here MUST be kept secret. A player caught telling team secrets to anyone outside their own team will face consequences decided on a case-by-case basis, possibly including being permanently banned from all Elements community PvP Events. Basically, don't publicly talk about anything that goes on here.
 
2.2 MEMBER ROLES
1. General: Responsible for coordinating the team. If a member is unable to duel the General should coordinate a substitute. 12 upgrades by default.
2. Lieutenant: Second in command. They should be the first to fill in for Generals when necessary. 9 upgrades by default.
3. Soldiers: The rest of your team. 6 upgrades by default.


2.3 THE VAULT
The Vault is your heart in War. Not only does it supply cards for deckbuilding, but acts as "hit points" for the team. If a team falls below 30 cards, they will be eliminated.

RELICS that were not used during the player draft will form the team starting RELICS. Up to this point, RELICS have just been a number, now they can be consumed to add +1 upgrade to a single match.
 
Vault building rules:
- EACH TEAM STARTS WITH 300 CARDS, plus 160 PRE-SET cards (see below), plus any RELICS remained from the drafting phase.
- At least 50% of cards must be in your element (restriction doesn't apply to PRE-SET cards and RELICS).
- maximum of 24 per card from your element (restriction doesn't apply to Pillars or Pendulums).
- maximum of 9 per card from other elements.
- You may not have Shards, Nymphs or Marks in your vault.
- Each team, according to their element, are going to have 160 PRE-SET in-element and Other cards within their Starting Vault.

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Cards in the Vault are always unupgraded (except for the upgraded PRE-SET ones). During deckbuilding, unupgraded cards may be taken from the Vault and transformed into upgraded cards for that deck, up to the limits mentioned below (except for PRE-SET cards where the upgraded/unupgraded version can't be changed). If you move an upgraded card back to the Vault, it becomes unupgraded (PRE-SET cards become regular pillars of their element after being used in a deck and moved back to the vault).

"Mark of ..." cards are considered in the element they feature. Unlike in Tournaments, Marks are not considered equivalent to Pillars or Pendulums.

Important! Vaults are virtual. Players are not given cards taken from the Vault, nor are any cards removed from their account if they lose. Players must own the cards on their Elements game account in order to use them. If a player doesn't have a specific card in their account, they cannot use it even if that card is listed in the Vault. So try to pick cards that your members are able to access


3. STARTING A ROUND
War consists of multiple rounds. Each round lasts 1 week and will consist of 2 phases: Deckbuilding (4 days) and Duels (3 days)

3.1 DETERMINING OPPONENTS
Amount of cards in the Vault determine how many players from each team participates on a round:

0-29 cards	=	team is eliminated
30-59 cards	=	1 players fight
60-89 cards	=	2 players fight
90-119 cards	=	3 players fight
120-149 cards	=	4 players fight
150-179 cards	=	5 players fight
180+ cards	=	6 players fight

Opponents will be determined randomly by Warmasters, with the constraint that no team will play another team more than once within a given round if possible. If there are an uneven number of players fighting during a round, the team which has to field the most number of players will have a bye, meaning one player in that team will skip the round. If there is more than one team which must field that number of players, then the bye will go to the team which has had the fewest byes so far out of those teams. If there is a tie for the team which has had the fewest number of byes, it will go to the team with the most cards out of those teams.

Duel pairings will be made public by Warmasters. Included should be Event Cards designed by Warmasters. Event Cards have a global effect upon all teams during that round.

In Rounds 2 & 4, teams are intentionally seeded against teams they did not play in the previous round.

3.2 DECKBUILDING
Teams must build a deck for each player fighting during the round.
 
Deckbuilding rules:
- Combining all decks must not use more than the vault carries. Upgraded cards in decks are counted as unupgraded cards in the vault (except for upped PRE-SET cards).
- At least 50% of the cards must be in your element (PRE-SET cards count as in-element, even those belonging to Other).
- Generals, Lieutenants, and Soldiers may use up to 12, 9, and 6 upgraded cards respectively (upped PRE-SET cards still count towards this limit, if used). Unupped PRE-SET cards can't be upgraded this way.
- At least 3 card copies of a deck must be PRE-SET cards, except if you have already used all your PRE-SET cards of your vault (PRE-SET cards become pillars of their element after being used in a deck and moved back to the vault).
- Teams may spend a RELIC to grant 1 extra upgrade to a deck. There is no limit to how many RELICS may be spent per round. However, event cards may change the ability of RELICS each round, so pay close attention. Unupped PRE-SET cards can't be upgraded this way.

Conversion: Teams have the option to convert some of their cards. This means that they can replace any card in their Vault with a Pillar or a Pendulum of their element. Converting helps teams to avoid a situation where they would be otherwise forced to build "suicide" decks. Teams have unlimited conversions each round, including before round 1. PRE-SET cards can't be converted this way.

Explicitly Illegal Decks: Teams may title their illegal decks "Suicide". If so they will not be penalized beyond a 0-3 result.

You must not edit your decks, salvage, discard, etc. after the deckbuilding period ends. Doing so will result in a penalty, regardless of what the change was.

3.3 DUELS
Players will contact their opponent to try find a time that suits both. If the fight does not happen both players lose by default unless one player is clearly more active in trying to find a suitable time. Warmasters will determine who the most active player is.

Matches are best-of-five, which means that each battle's winner is the first player to win 3 duels. Remember, you must play all duels with the same deck and mark.

3.4 INACTIVE PLAYERS
If it looks like a member won't be able to fight during a round, the team has various options:

1. Temporarily replace a member with any other member. Temporary replacements use the same exact deck, number of upgrades, and mark as recorded for that player. The first and the second substitution each round is free. After that the opposing team chooses how much salvage you receive (up to 6) if you win the match.
2. Permanently replace a member with a player who submitted an application but didn't end up on a team (costs 1 RELIC).
3. To permanently replace a General (as leader of the team), every other member must agree that the General needs replacing and a consensus must be reached on who the new General will be. Warmasters will remove the General from the team at no cost. If a new player needs to be added, see above.

Note that a substitute may not use ANY cards the player they are replacing does not have.

3.5 DISCONNECTS & DESYNCS
A player who is disconnected during a duel, for any reason except for disconnect bug (link), will receive a loss for that individual duel. Both players must provide screenshots of the disconnect. The disconnected player must get a screenshot of the disconnect countdown and the "You Lost" screen (example). The non-disconnected player may continue to play AI and must take SS of win screen if they wish to try to claim victory for the match. It is preferable that the players come to a consensus on whether a player won the disconnected match or if it should be a replay. If an agreement cannot be reached, a player who wishes to appeal the match for a win must inform their opponent. The remainder of the match can be played out, not counting the appealed game. WMs will make a ruling after the match is completed, if needed. There must be indisputable evidence that one player would have clearly won for a result to be overturned.

Desyncs will result in both players playing against the AI unless both agree to restart the duel. Screenshots of the "player not responding" countdown and the winning turn vs AI must be provided in order to claim a win or replay. Screenshots of the "Game Won" screen are insufficient. If both players beat the AI, and one player takes a screenshot while the other does not, then the player with the screenshot wins. In the event both players win or lose, and both present screenshots, a reduel will be ordered. The exception to this rule is if both players agree that one player would have won/lost if it were not for AI misplays. All games can be appealed to WMs, but there must be indisputable evidence provided that one player would have clearly won. Whether one player would have clearly won is decided strictly, and providing more information makes it more likely that an accurate ruling will occur.

If the desync causes strange things (impossible changes in game state, not including insta-win/lose) to happen, take a screenshot and the duel will be replayed.

4 POSTBATTLE
4.1 WINNING A BATTLE
The Winner of the duel starts a new topic in the "Battle Results" section, indicating the teams, the member roles, & the score. Member roles are abbreviated (Gen, Lt, Sld). For example if "KingKiller" from fights "LordOwner" from & wins 3-1, he will start a topic that could be titled in one of the following ways:
(Air Gen) KingKiller 3 - 1 (Water Lt) LordOwner
(Air Gen) KingKiller 3 - 1 LordOwner (Water Lt)
(Air Gen) KingKiller 3 - (Water Lt) LordOwner 1
(Air Sld) KingKiller 3 - 1 (Water Gen) LordOwner
(Air Lt) KingKiller 3 - (Water Sld) (Sub) LordOwner 1 (use SUB to indicate that someone else played instead of LordOwner)
 
In that topic KingKiller will post his deck, mentioning the amount and type of PRE-SET cards used, if any, and should summarize the match. LordOwner will then reply to that same topic with his deck, mentioning the amount and type of PRE-SET cards used too (if any). He may also talk about the battle if he so chooses. Everyone may post in the topics after LordOwner replies.
If the player who played the match is not available to post their deck immediately afterwards, one of their teammates must do it. If this happens, the player should post in the same topic as soon as they are available.
 
The winning team salvages cards from the opponent's deck. The winning team MUST pick 6 cards to copy from the deck of the losing player into their vault unupgraded. These cards become part of the Vault. You may NOT salvage PRE-SET cards from your opponent!.
If you can't have a complete salvage from your opponent's deck for any reason (e.g. all your opponent's cards are PRE-SET), you gain 6 RELICS instead.

When salvaging cards into your Vault, you may choose to transmute them into cards of your own element instead. Salvaged cards may be transmuted at a two to one (2:1) ratio into any in-element card which you do not already have 12 copies of in your Vault, except for Shards, Nymps and Marks.

IMPORTANT!: If your team has 5 or less players remaining (a.k.a. a vault of 179 cards or less), Salvaged cards may be transmuted at a one to one (1:1) ratio instead!

Spoiler for Example:

Aether salvages 6 novae. They have 9 Mindgates in their vault, so they decide to transmute all 6 novae into 3 Mindgates.
Earth salaves 6 novae while having 5 players remaining. They convert all 6 novae to 6 Antlions.

4.2 LOSING A BATTLE
When a team loses a battle they have to discard cards from the deck used. Cards that are left in the deck after discarding are returned back to Vault. (PRE-SET cards become pillars of their element after being used in a deck and moved back to the vault).

Loss in	Discard
Round #1	9 cards
Round #2	15 cards
Round #3	20 cards
Round #4+	24 cards

4.3 WINNING WAR
If you're the only team left, or nobody is left and you have the largest vault out of anyone who participated in the last round, you've won. The winning team of War earns:
- Cool forum award icons.
- The forum "Reigned by" image will be changed to show which element won.
- And a Mark/Nymph reward code for each worthy member (as decided by an admin)

Otherwise a new round begins.

5 PENALTIES
Penalties are issued when a team somehow breaks the rules or disrupts War. A penalized team must discard from their Vault at the round's end. The following are guidelines, and Warmasters will determine penalties on a case-by-case basis.

Minor penalty: 3 cards. Small & harmless things like posting an illegal deck by mistake.
Medium penalty: 6 cards. For bigger infractions like not doing what they are supposed to do because of inactivity.
Major penalty: 12 cards. For major infractions like seriously disrupting the whole event.

BACKROOM DEALS
Conspiring with other teams is forbidden. Even discussing already public information ruins the spirit of the event, making it less fun for everybody.

To see how War is in reality, visit the War Archive subboard. Some things were done differently during previous Wars but the principles remain.

Spoiler for suggested ECs for these War rules:

Season of the Mark:
This round's conversion phase, you may convert a card of your vault to the Mark of the card's respective element.
Season of the Mark appears during rounds 1, 3, 5 and 7 of War#9.

Season of the Nymph:
This round's conversion phase, you may convert a card of your vault to the Nymph of the card's respective element.
Season of the Nymph appears during rounds 2, 4, 5 and 7 of War#9.

Season of the Shard:
This round's conversion phase, you may convert a card of your vault to the Shard of the card's respective element.
Season of the Shard appears during rounds 3, 4, 6 and 7 of War#9.

Season of the Challenge:
A team may declare a challenge against any other team. The challenge is a special PvP duel with special PvP rules. The rules are PMed to the WMs and, if approved, they are publicly declared. The duel must occur between two players of the two teams during the next round of War#9. Winning team gains 6 relics and losing team discards 12 cards. A targeted team may decline a challenge at the cost of 3 relics.
Season of the Shard appears during rounds 9 and beyond, but a team may use it only once during War#9.

[Avenger]

Didn't read past draft. I thought we all hated draft...