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Re: War #7 - Suggestions and Feedback https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=50864.msg1102617#msg1102617
« Reply #120 on: October 11, 2013, 01:52:43 pm »
It is very unlikely that each team faces exactly one general by pure RNG, hence it is very likely for some teams to have to face 2 generals (or more depending on how many matches there are) and for some teams to face no generals. :darkness just got the short end of the RNG-stick this round (just like :life and :aether), no need for a new rule.

I'm pretty sure I'm on board with andretimpa here.  It is unlikely each team faces exactly 1 General (would be equal distribution) but similarly unlikely the SAME team faces more than 1 in subsequent rounds.  If it hasn't been a big issue before and doesn't crop up as an issue here (same count of Elements and Generals as War's past, approximately *looking at you Underworld*) I would prefer no new rules for this.

Odii raises the question: how much do we want RNG outside of the matchs played? Bo5 format implies RNG within the matchs themselves is even desirable to minimize

Well at a certain point (without drawing the line somewhere on removing RNG) you would simply have all the rounds non-RNG'd and on some sort of set rotating element-by-element schedule.  I think the Bo5's purpose is more to address the "you cannot change decks" thing along with a bit of ironing out in-match (not in-game which is in the hands of the program) RNG too.
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Re: War #7 - Suggestions and Feedback https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=50864.msg1102620#msg1102620
« Reply #121 on: October 11, 2013, 01:53:43 pm »
It is very unlikely that each team faces exactly one general by pure RNG, hence it is very likely for some teams to have to face 2 generals (or more depending on how many matches there are) and for some teams to face no generals. :darkness just got the short end of the RNG-stick this round (just like :life and :aether), no need for a new rule.

1. Yes it is very unlikely that every team faces exactly one General by pure RNG. This is the reason why I want a rule here.
2. I don't care if a team has to play against two Generals in one round, I just want a rule, that a team don't have to play two Generals in a row.

Btw. life and aether had two Generals, too, but none of them had to play against three Lt.   :P
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Re: War #7 - Suggestions and Feedback https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=50864.msg1102808#msg1102808
« Reply #122 on: October 12, 2013, 05:38:00 am »
Pff, plenty of worse deals given in the history of Wars. At some point we have to stop trying to control everything in our favour and just do our best for the good-natured spirit of the event.
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Re: War #7 - Suggestions and Feedback https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=50864.msg1103330#msg1103330
« Reply #123 on: October 15, 2013, 01:27:04 pm »
Maybe a bit weird suggestion, but it would be nice if the timing of the deadline of a round is, so that in the last few hours there will be a wm available in chat for the gazillion questions that arise shortly before the deadline when you finalize stuff ;p

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Re: War #7 - Suggestions and Feedback https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=50864.msg1105395#msg1105395
« Reply #124 on: October 23, 2013, 10:16:24 pm »
The high salvage system makes the mindgating too hard. Salvaging full decks make it too easy to build multiple copies of a deck which makes it too hard to predict their deck of choices. Grabbows, sancstalls and fractal decks will virtually never die unless a team decides to fully convert it, which will rarely happen.
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Re: War #7 - Suggestions and Feedback https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=50864.msg1105419#msg1105419
« Reply #125 on: October 24, 2013, 12:08:50 am »
The high salvage system makes the mindgating too hard. Salvaging full decks make it too easy to build multiple copies of a deck which makes it too hard to predict their deck of choices. Grabbows, sancstalls and fractal decks will virtually never die unless a team decides to fully convert it, which will rarely happen.

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Re: War #7 - Suggestions and Feedback https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=50864.msg1105431#msg1105431
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Re: War #7 - Suggestions and Feedback https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=50864.msg1105494#msg1105494
« Reply #127 on: October 24, 2013, 10:26:20 am »
I think that reducing the possibilities of hard counters makes the players more important (not just the decks) and makes the matches more interesting. Plus we go back to old war after round 9 (if you make it to top 4), effectively knowing all the initial vaults.
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Re: War #7 - Suggestions and Feedback https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=50864.msg1108104#msg1108104
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I suggest we get more WMs

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Re: War #7 - Suggestions and Feedback https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=50864.msg1108113#msg1108113
« Reply #129 on: November 07, 2013, 08:53:30 pm »
I suggest we get more WMs
I suggest we drop inactive WMs and select ones that are active?
Also increase round times so people with only weekend availability can still do deck building & playing as well. (Not like this was a problem for me).


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Re: War #7 - Suggestions and Feedback https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=50864.msg1108114#msg1108114
« Reply #130 on: November 07, 2013, 09:01:03 pm »
I suggest we get more WMs
I suggest we drop inactive WMs and select ones that are active?
Also increase round times so people with only weekend availability can still do deck building & playing as well. (Not like this was a problem for me).
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