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Re: War #5 - The Final Battle https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=41827.msg519861#msg519861
« Reply #48 on: July 10, 2012, 02:21:31 am »
Fun Aether v Time facts from War #5:

This matchup has occurred every round this war.
This matchup has occurred 12 times in 11 rounds, soon to be 13.
Time currently leads 7-5.
However, 4 of time's wins have been by 3-2. (and another by pseudocide ;))
If you combine all the individual games, the series is tied 25-25.

Thought sharing this would make the final battle just a little more epic :P
Note that I've lost 4 of those matches against Time. Since Deuce is playing the match, and not me, Aether will surely win!
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Re: War #5 - The Final Battle https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=41827.msg519950#msg519950
« Reply #49 on: July 10, 2012, 05:22:30 am »
But really our threads are complimentary.

That, they are. High five! And you definitely deserve rep as well for being an extremely dedicated and hard-working Warmaster.

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Re: War #5 - The Final Battle https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=41827.msg519963#msg519963
« Reply #50 on: July 10, 2012, 05:38:42 am »
This will be pretty exciting!  Go Aether!

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Re: War #5 - The Final Battle https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=41827.msg520005#msg520005
« Reply #51 on: July 10, 2012, 08:27:00 am »
We armed deuce well. You are going down, evil heartless robot!
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Re: War #5 - The Final Battle https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=41827.msg520087#msg520087
« Reply #52 on: July 10, 2012, 01:10:24 pm »
Opposites battle out for the finale! Either way, we won't look like the old forums! That means I'm fine with either.

Well, I thought  :time - :entropy and :aether - :gravity were the opposites and not  :entropy - :gravity and  :time - :aether , but you probably know better...

Well.. not quite. It's a ninja dog trained by none other than me. Pretty rabid. Think.. the Rabbit of Caerbannog from Monty Python and the Holy Grail. Goes for the jugular. 10 guys in 1 second.

Interesting! I can't wait to witness the ninja techniques of the 'rabbit' dog!  :P
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Re: War #5 - The Final Battle https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=41827.msg520218#msg520218
« Reply #53 on: July 10, 2012, 06:17:51 pm »
Opposites battle out for the finale! Either way, we won't look like the old forums! That means I'm fine with either.

Well, I thought  :time - :entropy and :aether - :gravity were the opposites and not  :entropy - :gravity and  :time - :aether , but you probably know better...
Slightly off topic: I think it's generally agreed that entropy and gravity are opposites since entropy is all about chaos and disorder, while gravity is about order.

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Re: War #5 - The Final Battle https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=41827.msg520219#msg520219
« Reply #54 on: July 10, 2012, 06:26:28 pm »
The elemental opposites are facts, not opinions, in this game. Zanz designed it so. Check 'em out when you start a new account, in the Trainer or here: http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,20705
As usual, the only elements new guys confuse are Time, Aether, Gravity and Entropy, since the rest are obvious x)
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Re: War #5 - The Final Battle https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=41827.msg520255#msg520255
« Reply #55 on: July 10, 2012, 08:35:47 pm »
It's also understandable that people could pair  :gravity and  :time as well as  :entropy and  :aether. The first pair is because  :time has to do with, well,  :time, while  :gravity has to do with matter. The second pair is because :entropy has to do with messing with matter, while :aether has to do with balance of matter.
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Re: War #5 - The Final Battle https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=41827.msg520465#msg520465
« Reply #56 on: July 11, 2012, 06:10:33 am »
 Ok, now I can see that  :aether / :time and  :entropy:gravity are opposites. However, let me make excuses and explain why I thought that the opposites were  :time / :entropy and  :gravity:aether.

{1st}
 Time looks like a really lawful and intelligent element. In ancient Egypt, there was a strict order and hieraechy, starting from Pharaohs and gods as the highest class and ending with slaves as the lowest one. Time creatures like Pharaoh, Anubis etc. seem rather lawful and followers of the order. The extra-card drawing effects (Hourglass), the revealing of the enemy hand (Pregocnition), the two-sided blocking of all the attacks (Sundial) and RT effects are full of order and reason (many of the above effects are identical with MagicTheGathering Blue-card effects and Blue in MTG is the color of reason and an allied element of White, which is the color of law and order, and Black, which is the equivalent of Darkness and Death in MGT, hence the  :time / :darkness and  :time:death synergies). Finally, Procrastination|TurtleShield doesn't include luck in its mechanics, despite the fact it has similar blocking capabilities with chance-using shields like Dusk Mantle and Fog, but instead has a pretty lawful mechanic of delaying each attacking creature for 1 turn.
{2nd}
 In the other hand, Entropy is obviously the element of chaos and randomness (in MGT the respective element is Red color, which is an enemy of White and Blue elements, but an ally of Black, hence Lycan's  :entropy / :darkness synergy, and Green, hence Fallen's  :entropy / :life synergy). In addition, Entropy is an element of the future which is revealed by the scientific-like names of many Entropy cards (Maxwell, Schrodinger, Antimatter, Singularity etc.) while Time is obviously an element of the past (Ghost of the Past, Reverse Time, ancient Egypt theme etc.)
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 Gravity is a solid element but it is not just about order, since cards like Otyugh and Black Hole are pretty chaotic by their own nature. Mercenaries are also not very lawful, since they must be paid in order to do something and they are not moved by greater ideas of law and order. Aether is likely the element to oppose Gravity (and not Entropy), since Gravity is all about bypassing shields (Momentum, Catapult|Trebuchet) while Aether is all about blocking with shields (Dim Shields). Momentum also grant its creatures protection from shields but vulnerability to CC, while Immortality grants Aether creatures protection to CC but vulnerability to shields. Gravity is also heavily material while Aether is obivously ethereal. Gravity has only one airborne creature (Colossal Dragon) while Aether has only two non-airborne creatures (Immortal, PhaseSpider). Immortality as an ability has also close connection with the element of Time (immortality has also the symbol of Time as its symbol, lol), making me hard to believe how  :time and  :aether are considered enemies and not allies.

 However, as Higurashi wrote, "The elemental opposites are facts, not opinions, in this game. Zanz designed it so." and because of that I am wrong and you're right about  :time - :aether and  :entropy - :gravity rivalry.  ;)
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Re: War #5 - The Final Battle https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=41827.msg520528#msg520528
« Reply #57 on: July 11, 2012, 10:53:22 am »
For me it was somehow confusing when elements were divided as "good" and "bad" some time ago, because I didn't know exactly which side aether as "divine element" should belong, although it was meant to be bad for some reason. First it seemed that time as "earthly" and therefore "low" element is bad itself, but if we think that time is a big buddy with the gravity (as Einstein explained) which is opposite to entropy, then the "goodness" of time may be understandable. But still the "badness" of aether is not so obvious, unless we think that it is bad in purely formal sense - as opposed to time.

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Re: War #5 - The Final Battle https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=41827.msg520540#msg520540
« Reply #58 on: July 11, 2012, 11:15:34 am »
@Artha
I know we're going a bit off-topic, but i'll elaborate.
Gravity is an element of order. Gravity binds things together, preventing them from breaking.
Entropy is an element of chaos. It spreads and causes chaos field on wherever it goes.
Time is the ruler of time. Aether is the ruler of space.
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Re: War #5 - The Final Battle https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=41827.msg520544#msg520544
« Reply #59 on: July 11, 2012, 11:35:51 am »
Entropy is an element of the future which is revealed by the scientific-like names of many Entropy cards (Maxwell, Schrodinger, Antimatter, Singularity etc.) while Time is obviously an element of the past (Ghost of the Past, Reverse Time, ancient Egypt theme etc.)

Time is past, present and future, so you can't quite exclude the future from Time, despite most of the cards having past as a theme.
Those cards you listed from Entropy are more connected to paradoxes than the future, in my opinion.

Immortality as an ability has also close connection with the element of Time (immortality has also the symbol of Time as its symbol, lol), making me hard to believe how  :time and  :aether are considered enemies and not allies.

I believe that symbol is supposed to mean the defiance of Time - being timeless or infinite.

Gotta rail back the topic though - go Ten, you really deserve to win this war.

 

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