War #5 - Suggestions and Feedback

[Jocko]

I actually like it too.

[kev]

and if you have 59 or less, you're out, rather than 29 or less you're out like now. 

Scenario: Your team has been top tier all War but attrition has forced the top tier down together.  It's round 9.  Your vault now contains an undefeated grabow that'd be a sure thing against one opponent and PC/CC you could tweak in to make you a strong favorite against the other.  You'd be confident in either matchup.  But instead they'll face each other with terribad vault leftovers while you watch from the sideline  because you have only 58 cards.

I dunno.  To me it feels weird to be eliminated before you're eliminated.  Eliminated by a cutoff rather than a team.

[Avenger]

and if you have 59 or less, you're out, rather than 29 or less you're out like now. 

Scenario: Your team has been top tier all War but attrition has forced the top tier down together.  It's round 9.  Your vault now contains an undefeated grabow that'd be a sure thing against one opponent and PC/CC you could tweak in to make you a strong favorite against the other.  You'd be confident in either matchup.  But instead they'll face each other with terribad vault leftovers while you watch from the sideline  because you have only 58 cards.

I dunno.  To me it feels weird to be eliminated before you're eliminated.  Eliminated by a cutoff rather than a team.

Believe me, the current situation is MUCH worse. This war can drag on for 3-4 more rounds, with two teams stuck in the sweet spot and one unlucky one which didn't land in there.

[mrpaper]

Well I don't see how 4 rounds is possible, but it won't be over this round round for sure.  I also think it is a terrible idea that any team is out with over 30 cards.  Also, keeping cards hidden is a great skill that would be removed with that idea.

[Avenger]

Well I don't see how 4 rounds is possible, but it won't be over this round round for sure.  I also think it is a terrible idea that any team is out with over 30 cards.  Also, keeping cards hidden is a great skill that would be removed with that idea.

What do you mean by that? It would let you keep 30 cards hidden!
If you meant keeping the steamers hidden was a great skill, then nah, it was predicted that you have them.
4 rounds:
1. aether plays and loses vs the other teams
2. team A wins one (A - ~65  B ~ 35)
3. team B wins one (A - ~35  B ~ 35)
4. one of them wins finally.


Or
1. aether loses one, beats one (40/35/65)
2. team 65 gets a bye
3. aether and loser play one, one of them wins
4. team 65 wins

Or
1. aether beats both  -> (35/35/70)
2. aether loses one -> (35/40/40)
3. one of the teams gets a bye
4. final match

In fact, 4 rounds are very likely due to having 2 teams in the sweet spot, and 2 rounds to kill them.

[mrpaper]

Guess you are right for the 4 rounds.. I thought we we're up for 3 but maybe not.  As for the steamies yeah they we're a good exemple, but we could have use (if we still have) cards hidden for much longer or maybe not even used at all since rd 1.

[UTAlan]

Let's keep this thread on topic. Thank you.

[deuce22]

Well I don't see how 4 rounds is possible, but it won't be over this round round for sure.  I also think it is a terrible idea that any team is out with over 30 cards.  Also, keeping cards hidden is a great skill that would be removed with that idea.

[troll]
So, it's a skill to lose 4 out of 4 decks in a round keeping over 1/2 your vault concealed, while trolling support and main matches waiting for the final event card to give an overwhelming advantage to the team with the strongest support?

What's funny is that I devised a strategy before the auction that involved suiciding after round 4 to fall into the sweet spot with a perfect vault and 7 support members to troll relics. I dismissed this strategy because it defeated the purpose of war. But it's kind of funny that fire fell into this situation by accident with half the teams left in war, and now they will be 1 of the final 2 teams. The rules this war are such a joke.
[/troll]

Let's keep this thread on topic. Thank you.

Will do Higs...I mean UT

[Helston]

The sweet spot issue could be avoided almost entirely if the discarding rules were changed to be based on vault size as opposed to number of decks sent in. It would be more confusing as to how many cards from each deck you discarded, and sweet spots would still exist, but in a much better way.

e.g.

No. of discards per deck = floor( (10x/11 - 32/11) / n)
Where x is vault size and n is number of decks fielded.
However, if you only field one deck, discard = 30

Those numbers are tuned for this war.  That last rule is to ensure teams actually get eliminated when they're down to one deck. The new sweet spots are where you have JUST enough cards to field an extra deck, so your discards go from 30 per deck to between 15 and 25 per deck. Unfortunately this makes it harder to squash a team relying in one deck - if they manage to field a second deck, they could lose that same round and discard mostly pillars.
To illustrate what all that means:

Discard at 65 cards = 30 per deck
Discard at 66 cards = 15 per deck x2 = 30 total

Discard at 98 cards = 30 per deck x2 = 60 total
Discars at 99 cards = 20 per deck x3 = 60 total

EDIT: Add in a maximum total discard for the start of war, and you could multiply all those numbers by a certain amount if you wanted to ramp up discards over time (12/30 round one, 18/30 round two, etc.)

[RavingRabbid]

Penalty for subbing: 3 cards.

No choice of no salvaging.

It's pretty fair, I think.

[Jenkar]

Penalty for subbing: 3 cards.

No choice of no salvaging.

It's pretty fair, I think.

Do you mean, no no salvage? Then we get to the same situation as before, with ''subs'' that aren't real subs. True, the fact that it's three cards instead of 6 makes it harder to plan a tactical sub, but it doesn't remove the problem, just lessens it.

[hainkarga]

Quick thought:
* No penalty for subing. You must salvage unless EC states otherwise.
* If a team fields more than 1 players and none of them subs, they earn [+2 cards / +1 up / something] at the end of turn if they like.

Edit: or if a team subs, -1/-2 up penalty for 1 player next round. Still full salvage. Basicly some carrot and/or stick against subbing that does not effect sweet spot.