War #5 - Rules

[kev]

Just whom is defined as the Scout/Lieutenant? Do you have to first modify your member roles thread, make yourself Scout/Lieutenant then change it back again for it to be allowed? If not, this implies that changing scout last second because another person can better play it's deck has the ugly consequence of having to remove the current scouting post and posting a new one because the last one was no longer made by the scout.

WMs will compare who made/last edited the post to who holds which title when timers expire.  Making someone Scout for 30 seconds while they post and then changing it afterwards obviously won't work because WMs will never know that he ever held the Scout position.

If you feel this system is too confusing it might be best to lock each player into their roles.  If everyone feels the system is too confusing, WMs can do it for you.  My impression was that Generals wanted as much optionality with their team as possible.  But now it seems like some are making this harder on themselves than it needs to be.

Keep the constructive criticism coming!

[Zso_Zso]

This kind of strict rule of who can make the Scout post or the support team instruction post just creates extra police-work for the WMs as well as unnecessary constraints for the team with no real benefit.
If you want to avoid having to deal with multiple conflicting posts, simply state in the rules that if there are more than one (possibly conflicting) postings for these purposes, then they will all be ignored, e.g. the team loses its scouting chance for the round.

This would keep it simple and clean, the teams responsibility is to keep their posting well defined not ambiguous, and everything is fine whoever happens to make the post.

[justaburd]

If one support team takes a relic from another, say  from  at the last moment, does it count as entropy having all invalid decks?

[xdude]

If one support team takes a relic from another, say  from  at the last moment, does it count as entropy having all invalid decks?

If they use 2 upps each next round, yes. Otherwise, no. They are no fighting for relics they can use in round 2.

[kev]

If one support team takes a relic from another, say  from  at the last moment, does it count as entropy having all invalid decks?

If they use 2 upps each next round, yes. Otherwise, no. They are no fighting for relics they can use in round 2.

I'm just posting to confirm xdude's response.  Round 2 Main Team deckbuilders should use the Relics currently displayed in the Standings thread.  If a Support Team wins a Relic this round the Main Team will see the effects while deckbuilding for Round 3.  Otherwise, as justaburd points out, Support Team battles that occurred just before the deadline would essentially invalidate every deck.

[SpikeSpiegel]

If one support team takes a relic from another, say  from  at the last moment, does it count as entropy having all invalid decks?

If they use 2 upps each next round, yes. Otherwise, no. They are no fighting for relics they can use in round 2.

I'm just posting to confirm xdude's response.  Round 2 Main Team deckbuilders should use the Relics currently displayed in the Standings thread.  If a Support Team wins a Relic this round the Main Team will see the effects while deckbuilding for Round 3.  Otherwise, as justaburd points out, Support Team battles that occurred just before the deadline would essentially invalidate every deck.

So Support teams are pretty useless...above all in the first, last and second-last war turn. I don't want to seem polemical, I recognize the staff did an awesome job with new forum and with this war (for all, ty), but support teams give me the idea of a thing done very roughly...

[xdude]

If one support team takes a relic from another, say  from  at the last moment, does it count as entropy having all invalid decks?

If they use 2 upps each next round, yes. Otherwise, no. They are no fighting for relics they can use in round 2.

I'm just posting to confirm xdude's response.  Round 2 Main Team deckbuilders should use the Relics currently displayed in the Standings thread.  If a Support Team wins a Relic this round the Main Team will see the effects while deckbuilding for Round 3.  Otherwise, as justaburd points out, Support Team battles that occurred just before the deadline would essentially invalidate every deck.

So Support teams are pretty useless...above all in the first, last and second-last war turn. I don't want to seem polemical, I recognize the staff did an awesome job with new forum and with this war (for all, ty), but support teams give me the idea of a thing done very roughly...

Well, it wouldn't really be fun if a team could go from 6-0 to 0-6 because of using illegal decks because a random player that joined the auction lost to another. As said by the name, 'support team' members are not the ones that will win the War, but they might give a certain element a slight advantage in a fight or two.

[Onizuka]

Support team members affect /all/ the matches, since relics give a bonus to the entire team. Support teams either give you an advantage (more relics), put you at a disadvantage (less relics), or put you on even ground (same relics). In some way or another, support teams affect every match in war but the relative importance of their affects isn't worth the extremely binding ruleset that has been created just to cater to a smaller vault and main team size and lack of other form of outcast entering system.

[xdude]

Support team members affect /all/ the matches, since relics give a bonus to the entire team. Support teams either give you an advantage (more relics), put you at a disadvantage (less relics), or put you on even ground (same relics). In some way or another, support teams affect every match in war but the relative importance of their affects isn't worth the extremely binding ruleset that has been created just to cater to a smaller vault and main team size and lack of other form of outcast entering system.

While support teams affect all the matches, they don't actually change the outcome so often. The only time they do change the outcome is when 2 decks are evenly matched AND the upgrade is drawn early. As such, they are quite unlikely to win/lose more than 1 game per round IMO, especially in the early stages.

[Onizuka]

Support teams very much affect what decks you can bring against who too, if the deck depends on the upgrades. If you don't want to waste your Lt. in a spot where you want a specific deck that requires upgrades, having a strong support team accomplishes this.

[SpikeSpiegel]

Maybe I was not so clear, so I explain my opinion:

Leaving aside discussions about the support teams, on who wins (or lose) the war, etc..., I meant that what regards support team actions has been poorly structured, fixing support team stuff after the war began.

Imho, support team actions should affect every next turn: a nice solution could be to play support team battles before each turn (first turn included), and when I'm saying before each turn I mean before the deckbuilding period of every turn. Let's consider that support team battles don't take so much time to be played...

You can take this post as a tip for war 6#...

[Jenkar]

If a team gets a bye, the player with the bye counts in support team? (ie if 5 matches, 3 support team guys?)