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Re: War #5 - Round 5 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40664.msg505756#msg505756
« Reply #24 on: May 30, 2012, 12:38:41 pm »
Turns out Blitzkrieg Strategy event card isn't as fancy as its name. Even "If you win 2 games, you win the match" would barely be as good as gorilla card.
People don't trust their decks...
Root made a mathematical analysis.
Odds of this card being useful is max at 40%ish win rate. And the odd is 3%.

Confirmed. Max chance is ~3.45%
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Re: War #5 - Round 5 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40664.msg505757#msg505757
« Reply #25 on: May 30, 2012, 12:42:27 pm »
for those who can't understand sheet :

(win rate) ^2 = chance of being 2-0 (chance of blitzkrieg)
Chance of being 2-0 then losing = (win rate)^2*(1-win rate)^3  (1-win rate) = loss rate.
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Re: War #5 - Round 5 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40664.msg505760#msg505760
« Reply #26 on: May 30, 2012, 12:48:41 pm »
Being not useful means detrimental too or just irrelevant? Because... I would always accept the slightest increase of odds.
What are the numbers for mulligan?

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Re: War #5 - Round 5 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40664.msg505761#msg505761
« Reply #27 on: May 30, 2012, 12:50:00 pm »
Being not useful means detrimental too or just irrelevant? Because... I would always accept the slightest increase of odds.
What are the numbers for mulligan?
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Re: War #5 - Round 5 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40664.msg505768#msg505768
« Reply #28 on: May 30, 2012, 01:08:49 pm »
Being not useful means detrimental too or just irrelevant? Because... I would always accept the slightest increase of odds.
What are the numbers for mulligan?

It is better than nothing, of course. However, the best increase is ~3.45%, which is less than 4 chances in 100, with the best possible conditions. It's not impossible, it's just terribly underwhelming. Mulligan is not easily mathematized, but with some assumptions...

Supposing a certain chance (0.40) of understanding that a match is lost by starting hand, mulligan kicks in when you:
1) Have a game when you mulligan, two games when you win and two games when your opponent wins, in any order.
2) Win the last game.

With these numbers, mulligan has a max effect of ~18.75%, and beats blitzkrieg starting from ~8% winrate onwards. If you deck has 1 chance in 10 to win and the person playing has 4 chances in 10 to understand when a game is lost by the starting hand only, then blitzkrieg is useless.

I can run the spreadsheet with a lower chance to understanding when to mulligan if you wish... :P
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Re: War #5 - Round 5 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40664.msg506585#msg506585
« Reply #29 on: June 01, 2012, 06:17:21 pm »
I wonder how effective it would be turn the "2-0" card to If you get to 2 wins you win? so you could technically win if it was 2-2?
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Re: War #5 - Round 5 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40664.msg506587#msg506587
« Reply #30 on: June 01, 2012, 06:19:00 pm »
I wonder how effective it would be turn the "2-0" card to If you get to 2 wins you win? so you could technically win if it was 2-2?
Unless your opponent uses it, ofc :P
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