War #3 Suggestions

[Kael Hate]

k, i'm making an excel tool that will allow fair assignment of 13 teams of up to 13 players based on strength of opposition and fair linear assignment. I'll share it here for the community when finished. I'll put a results screen that will generate a report to be posted into the forums or copied to googledocs.

[Malduk]

k, i'm making an excel tool that will allow fair assignment of 13 teams of up to 13 players based on strength of opposition and fair linear assignment. I'll share it here for the community when finished. I'll put a results screen that will generate a report to be posted into the forums or copied to googledocs.

You're taking about seeding or something else?
If its about seeding, I wouldnt want to be decided by "strength", but rather by past distribution, making the seeding more spread out. In other words, teams should fight against everyone more or less equally, rather than more against some teams, less against other teams.

[Kael Hate]

k, i'm making an excel tool that will allow fair assignment of 13 teams of up to 13 players based on strength of opposition and fair linear assignment. I'll share it here for the community when finished. I'll put a results screen that will generate a report to be posted into the forums or copied to googledocs.

You're taking about seeding or something else?
If its about seeding, I wouldnt want to be decided by "strength", but rather by past distribution, making the seeding more spread out. In other words, teams should fight against everyone more or less equally, rather than more against some teams, less against other teams.

If you understand swiss pairing then this is how it works.
Players/teams do not play teams they already have unless there is no variance left and within those brackets, players/teams are paired so the most successful players/teams face each other.

 - If anyone wants any particular rules put into it, post here and I'll make a variant that includes it

[Scaredgirl]

Any kind of seeding system that is based on having successful teams fight successful teams, and unsuccessful teams fight unsuccessful teams, has a very slim chance of becoming a reality.

So I guess I'm saying what Malduk just said.

[Kael Hate]

Any kind of seeding system that is based on having successful teams fight successful teams, and unsuccessful teams fight unsuccessful teams, has a very slim chance of becoming a reality.

So I guess I'm saying what Malduk just said.

why so?

Swiss is the most common matching format in the world because of its balance.
The divison of play means that one team isn't being molested because they got unlucky in the draw.
It also splits up pairis so one team doesn't have to play the same team multiple times in a round unless that team plays more gmaes than the number of teams left.

Do we want to pair up based on luck or balanced matching?

[Glitch]

I agree.  I think some sort of strength of schedule would be nice.  Maybe you shouldn't pit all easy teams against each other, but it'd be nice if all elements had an equally difficult round each time.

[the dictator]

I think it would be enough to make it more spread out, like malduk said. Things like three /:earth matches in one round are just no fun.

However, I am against a split in teams based on standings, just because that is against the concept of the whole war

[Kael Hate]

I agree.  I think some sort of strength of schedule would be nice.  Maybe you shouldn't pit all easy teams against each other, but it'd be nice if all elements had an equally difficult round each time.

Maybe there is a mis understanding here?

I'll do a result of what the order will look like when done by my paring generator and post it to show.

P1 vs P1 * P3 vs P3 P2 vs P1 * P4 vs P3 P3 vs P1 * P5 vs P3 P4 vs P1 * P6 vs P3 P5 vs P1 * P7 vs P3 P6 vs P1 * P8 vs P2 P7 vs P1 * P9 vs P2 P8 vs P1 * P4 vs P4 P9 vs P1 * P5 vs P4 P2 vs P2 * P6 vs P4 P3 vs P2 * P5 vs P2 P4 vs P2 * P6 vs P2 P5 vs P2 * P5 vs P1 P6 vs P2 * P5 vs P4 P7 vs P2 * P3 vs P3 P8 vs P1 * P3 vs P3 P9 vs P1 * P2 vs Bye

No team plays another more than once and in the parings the teams always play their highest matched opponent team.
The markers are just that, and it could be anyone from that element.

Full linear table to show no team plays another more than once

P1	P6
P2	P6
P3	P6
P4	P6
P5	P4
P1	P3
P2	P3
P3	P3
P4	P4
P5	P4
P6	P4
P1	P7
P2	P7
P3	P7
P4	P5
P1	P1
P2	P2
P3	P2
P4	P2
P5	P2
P6	P2
P7	P2
P8	P1
P9	P1
P1	P5
P2	Bye
P1	P1
P2	P1
P3	P1
P4	P1
P5	P1
P6	P1
P7	P1
P8	P1
P9	P1
P1	P2
P2	P2
P3	P3
P4	P3
P5	P3
P6	P3
P7	P3
P8	P2
P9	P2
P1	P8
P2	P8
P3	P3
P1	P5
P2	P5
P3	P5
P4	P5
P5	P1
P1	P4
P2	P4
P3	P4
P4	P4
P5	P2
P6	P2
P1	P9
P2	P6
P3	P3
P1	P9
P2	P9
P3	P3
P1	P8
P2	P5
P3	P3
Bye	P2

[Glitch]

While I like what you did their Kael, that's way unfair from entropy.  7 masters?  Holy shit!  That's better than what we've got right now, but try randomizing how high up on the team the player is, and things'll get fairer.

[Kael Hate]

While I like what you did their Kael, that's way unfair from entropy.  7 masters?  Holy shit!  That's better than what we've got right now, but try randomizing how high up on the team the player is, and things'll get fairer.

lol, the markers are just that, it could be any player on that team.



Did you see our pairings this round, another 2x  and a  for us to face. Seriously 4 of 12 potentioal opponents and we still get a double up? how fair is that?

  got double of 
and  with only 3 games got double of 

That pairing generator needs some balance to suck some of the luck swings out of it.

I think my pairing machine looks great now.

[Glitch]

Don't look at me!  Facing 2 x fire (one of which is master), 1 x entropy, 1 x light, and a water master isn't a ****ing party.  But if those are markers, meaning they're randomly one of the members of the team, that seems like 20 times more fair.

[QuantumT]

While I like what you did their Kael, that's way unfair from entropy.  7 masters?  Holy shit!  That's better than what we've got right now, but try randomizing how high up on the team the player is, and things'll get fairer.

lol, the markers are just that, it could be any player on that team.



Did you see our pairings this round, another 2x Entropy and a Fire for us to face. Seriously 4 of 12 potentioal opponents and we still get a double up? how fair is that?

Not ver... *notes  is facing 5 generals and 3 lieutenants* doesn't seem too bad to me.