War #12- Round 4

[Mobian]

Sometimes I feel like complaining about Super ECs but then I remember that Fire's going to win war either way so why waste my time?

@everyone, thank you for ridding my vault of disgusting cards like sanctuary. I'm glad everyone fell into my trap of discounting Fire after only round 3. Y'all will start talking about this post now but that's just more mind games now isn't it?

@   see you in round 15

When you're performing poorly so you have to try and cover your failures with ego and "MUH MINDGAMES"

Shockcannon is literally Blackstar.

[Kalinuial]

Sometimes I feel like complaining about Super ECs but then I remember that Fire's going to win war either way so why waste my time?

@everyone, thank you for ridding my vault of disgusting cards like sanctuary. I'm glad everyone fell into my trap of discounting Fire after only round 3. Y'all will start talking about this post now but that's just more mind games now isn't it?

@   see you in round 15

Ok Shank cannon.

[shockcannon]

Sometimes I feel like complaining about Super ECs but then I remember that Fire's going to win war either way so why waste my time?

@everyone, thank you for ridding my vault of disgusting cards like sanctuary. I'm glad everyone fell into my trap of discounting Fire after only round 3. Y'all will start talking about this post now but that's just more mind games now isn't it?

@   see you in round 15

When you're performing poorly so you have to try and cover your failures with ego and "MUH MINDGAMES"

[PlayerOa]

An extension on what I said "As an EC it's fine but as a Super it's concerning" you can tone it down easily. The war it came from featured MUCH less upgrades (9/6/3 compared to 15/12/8 of now), which was a fair bit harder to pile on upgrades to. The fact that you only need to sacrifice 1 deck's upgrades to fully upgrade a different deck is horrendous. And although mindgating is a thing, it shouldn't be the reason that an EC is balanced.

My proposed change would to be to introduce a hard limit. Generals can only give 4 upgrades, LT can give 3, Soldiers can give 2 (Making their base upgrades at 11/9/6, with 4 in-element). There was a suggestion at making the hard limit leave the players at 4 upgrades (meaning giving 11/8/4 away), but I feel like that's still too much.
These changes would be much more lenient if it were a regular EC, but since we're stuck with it for the next 3 rounds, making it underpowered in comparison is the better option

Got my support.

[asdw152]

Movie Night Bonus:
The player that went to the movie got to see the first day viewing, but also missed out on some studying. Big risk.
teams will get relics based on match outcome:
win 3-0 = 10 relics
3-1 = 6
3-2 = 4
lose 2-3 = 2
1-3 = 1
0-3 = 0

- worldwideweb3
- PlayerOa
- iancudorinmarian
- CCCombobreaker
- Player 4
- Aves
- shockcannon
- Player 4
- majofa
- mobian
- kaempfer13
- Vineroz

[mathman101]

Thank you to everyone for the feedback regarding the super EC. We are looking into other options to try to balance it more.

Currently we are looking at possibly putting in a max limit per deck of about 20 upgrades(from EC usage), and a min limit of the 4 in-element upgrades required per deck.

Since about half of the matches have been played this round we wanted to check in on your thoughts regarding how it went so far, and if teams feel that these changes would help balance out the problems discussed so far?

This is not our final decision on changing the EC, and still may be subject to adjustments. Thanks again to everyone for positive feedback and constructive criticisms.

[dawn to dusk]

What about introducing a different type of upper limit? Something like you can only give up to 6 extra upgrades or something

[asdw152]

Things I had in mind when balancing this with math:

My idea of keeping 4 in-ele upgrades manditory
D2D's idea of limiting how many one can give
Instilling an upper limit of up to how many one can receive based on
     1) hard limit
     2) percent of deck (50%)

[moehrpi]

Things I had in mind when balancing this with math:

My idea of keeping 4 in-ele upgrades manditory
D2D's idea of limiting how many one can give
Instilling an upper limit of up to how many one can receive based on
     1) hard limit
     2) percent of deck (50%)

Being able to give away up to four upgrades per deck is also an option.

[Manuel]

if the upgrades are currently

15 gens
12 lt
8 soldier

a soldier is still able to double is ups

i probably lost a match thanks to this ec, with my opponent that made is deck choice influenced by that, the other lost was for aether, an ec shouldn't turn in the most brainless way a matchup by simply adding upgrades, u can't give more than 15 ups since there are still relics

[worldwideweb3]

if the upgrades are currently

15 gens
12 lt
8 soldier

a soldier is still able to double is ups

i probably lost a match thanks to this ec, with my opponent that made is deck choice influenced by that, the other lost was for aether, an ec shouldn't turn in the most brainless way a matchup by simply adding upgrades, u can't give more than 15 ups since there are still relics

I definitely lost a match thanks to the ec. Am I complaining? No. Just get on with it. Be happy you somehow won vs us. Be happy you won vs time in a match you didn’t deserve to win.

[Manuel]

i actually was explaining how the super ec isn't fixed by limiting it to 20, the problem is having a 20 ups deck in a competition that normally let u play with 8
thanks for pointing out very useful things