War #10 - Round 4

[iancudorinmarian]

It's round 4 EC for round 4 deckbuilding phase, what's the problem?

[Aves]

How many relics is required for a significant advantage? Give me examples, folks. Yall keep saying that late in War, relics become super OP. Has this actually ever been demonstrated to be the case? And if your entire vault can't fend off one deck, maybe that's an issue with how you discarded? Counters are counters. Upgrades aren't everything, as Light Trials have shown. If one fully upgraded mono is a big fear, maybe shape your discards towards a counter to whichever (*cough* aether *cough*) element it looks like you'll have to fend off?

Furthermore, they'll have been many many more opportunities for teams to collect relics than just this EC. I find it extremely unlikely that the WMs are going to go yeah, round 4 EC. Only one that can possibly change things. Definitely not making any other ECs. Nope. No more chances for relics either. Nope nope.

[Afdarenty]

I like how it seems that people have an extremely high evaluation of Relics, yet almost no one has used the Gambler boost so far (3 out of 12 Teams, 5 out of the 180 roles so far).

[Aves]

Gambler netting 1 relic: Not relevant at all.

Gambler netting 4 relics after W9 feedback: Still not relevant at all.

[Vangelios]

 those relics here not is very relevant I'm ok... but the complain is about be fair or not

[mrpaper]

I like how it seems that people have an extremely high evaluation of Relics, yet almost no one has used the Gambler boost so far (3 out of 12 Teams, 5 out of the 180 roles so far).

It mostly is because you  have 1/6 of shooting the score right... but you have to forfeit any battle advantage (sideboard and +2 salvage comes first for pretty much every team all the time) so it basicaly comes down to gambler vs salvager vs discard vs mercenary for the last role so no surprise that it isn't used often.

and for the upgrades advantages... try to beat any good grabbow with 25 upgrades while you have 8 ups (including 4 in elements) ... have fun unless you 100% predict the actual deck!

[hainkarga]

It's round 4 EC for round 4 deckbuilding phase, what's the problem?

Except that you are wrong. This EC is little about r4 deckbuilding phase but much more about r3 duel phase, which is one of the problems here. The more important argument here is that EC is too awarding to some teams while giving nothing to others. Unlike previous ECs, this EC gives no choice (and nothing) to some teams but bluntly awards some others. So it is discriminating and unbalanced.

[Fippe94]

But it's hardly random what teams it's rewarding. It rewards teams that wins games. Isn't that a good thing?

[worldwideweb3]

It's round 4 EC for round 4 deckbuilding phase, what's the problem?

Except that you are wrong. This EC is little about r4 deckbuilding phase but much more about r3 duel phase, which is one of the problems here. The more important argument here is that EC is too awarding to some teams while giving nothing to others. Unlike previous ECs, this EC gives no choice (and nothing) to some teams but bluntly awards some others. So it is discriminating and unbalanced.

Excuse me. A couple wars ago you said teams should be rewarded more for winning.

[hainkarga]

But it's hardly random what teams it's rewarding. It rewards teams that wins games. Isn't that a good thing?

During every war i have seen, that has been usually (if not always) frowned upon. And the way it favours some teams is in a way just one step behind naming teams. Not to mention a shout out earlier would be nice, it is open to discussion how teams would react this EC at the beginning of R3 since it is very clearly about R3 but not R4.

[hainkarga]

Excuse me. A couple wars ago you said teams should be rewarded more for winning.

This is out of context. By that logic you could argue that i should advocate winning teams should be granted first born child of the losing team. This doesn't make it balanced, does it ? I am still in favour of awarding the win more.

[worldwideweb3]

Excuse me. A couple wars ago you said teams should be rewarded more for winning.

This is out of context. By that logic you could argue that i should advocate winning teams should be granted first born child of the losing team. This doesn't make it balanced, does it ? I am still in favour of awarding the win more.

The EC isnt that big a deal. Its not rewarding that much at all, if im being honest here. People are thinking that it will have a massive effect, but it really wont. Watch at the end of round. Also, your example is even more out of context, so please