War #10 - Round 4

[deuce22]

Is there a distinction between winning last round and winning in this round? Regardless of the matchups, you're trying to win all 5 matches either way, and you can't tell if you'll win a match until it's over. If the EC meant the matches of this round instead of the matches of last round, would it matter to you?

Slightly, but the EC would still be unabalanced.

When I was WM, my goal with EC's and rules was to "minimize bitching". This meant keeping rules simple and EC's as balanced as possible. I have seen unbalanced ECs change the outcomes of wars. It ruins your war experience. WMing sucks because it's almost impossible to make everyone happy. But if something isn't balanced/fair, it's never too late to change it.

[Aves]

Hmm, alright. Let's say a team went 5-0, and had salvager as one of their boosts. Under the EC, they could gain 16 relics by transmuting 16 cards (hi there, salvagers!)

This is equivalent to 4 Gambler predictions. How much of an advantage does a team with 4 correct gambler predictions gain? A hefty boost, sure-- that's about the same as a one time general boost out of nowhere. But is that significant?

Part of the reason I'm not understanding the flak against the EC is that relics have (or at least, to my limited knowledge) traditionally been completely underwhelming in terms of influence-- both in their quantity used and in their efficacy in swinging the end result. If an EC would completely change the outcome like it did in 4, sure, it's a bad EC. As I was mostly inactive at the time, could you provide some examples where relics dramatically changed the end result of War?

[serprex]

I don't mind the EC as a 1-4 team

[Solaris]

I don't mind the EC as a 1-4 team

As a 1-4 team... s#@÷ my cards!

EC is fine, IMO. There are tradeoffs to the EC, either you take the good salvage and be done with it, or you transmute and stockpile relics for a gamechanger. People aren't obligated to transmute, and.. hold on a second... you can transmute in matchups with bad salvage and salvage the actually good salvage! Nobody's hand is being forcex here, it's not OP... I don't see what the problem os.

Pardon typos, on mobile.

[mrpaper]

In general, the amount of choices you get for using an event card, should not be proportional to the amount of wins you had last round.

The easiest fix for this, is to simply let the EC apply to a maximum of one match won. I don't think any team will have a problem with that change.

That is a compromise that looks really fine.

And yes 16 relics would be a war changer.. having that means you could beat even most hard counter late in war!  Or most probably.. you add roughly 4 in 4 matches hence outrushing ure opponent 4 times... All because of 1 EC... How could this look balanced?

[Vineroz]

Are we ignoring the card disadvantage created by transmutation now?

[mrpaper]

Are we ignoring the card disadvantage created by transmutation now?

No... Transmute is à bit weaker then a good salvage.. but even then, could be better Depending on ure vault situation.  Do I expect all teams to go full relics?  Of course not... Some don't get the relics power as they have been so rare in most wars and also because some will need the salvage now.  But things staying as is... Any team that pack relics now and can do ok until round 7-8… is going to win the war without much effort after!

[Vineroz]

Are we a bit exaggerated about relics too? We have 3 Generals that went 0-3 so far.

[deuce22]

Are we a bit exaggerated about relics too? We have 3 Generals that went 0-3 so far.

It's early in war, teams still have large vaults and counters to lots of things. Late in war, a mono with a lot of upgrades (thanks to relics) can counter most teams vaults.

[xn0ize]

I just don't get why an EC for round 4 is linked to round 3.

[Vangelios]

I just don't get why an EC for round 4 is linked to round 3.

Is linked to R3? ah not guys serious? I thought it was the end of this round, I know that is seem like constipation but
Wm's also play in the war... do one Ec for free vault tansmutation for everyone is fair enough

[mrpaper]

I just don't get why an EC for round 4 is linked to round 3.

That too... I think it would be a bad EC if it was for round 4... but it's even worse now as it means roughly there was 2 EC for round 3 and none for now!