War #10 - General Discussion

[ARTHANASIOS]

Killing is a crime. Also, don't you see how much you are exaggerating....

I agree it is a completely exaggerative example, but true nonetheless. Reduced punishment has a HUGE gap with no punishment at all. I am and I hate being penalized, but leaving us completely unscratched can only lead to more of the same "mistakes" in the future imho.

[Higurashi]

Let's get real. If team was doing exactly the same thing, the whole community would've been in flames and you guys know it

This convo did get me thinking. For the sake of argument, let's say I was single again and started dating a member of Team Aether, or just moved in as a roommate with one of them. I'd make myself Warblind, and then it'd be okay for me to start helping Team Aether? I can outright promise you that round 3 would've looked better for them with me "on" the team.

This is more or less the same argument as Zeru "joining" Team Entropy. Is it okay to have an outsider just because they're not part of the community? Someone who isn't formally on a team doesn't gain anything from that team winning either, forum member or not.

I don't want to stop serp from participating, but the rules were designed with this in mind (I was a part of the designing and approving procedure). There's no ambiguity in this part:
"A player caught telling team secrets to anyone outside their own team will face consequences decided on a case-by-case basis, possibly including being permanently banned from all Elements community PvP Events."

All that said, I am not adamantly against a change of this rule. There is an argument for being allowed to share your hobby with your family and friends; we're all here to have fun after all. However, such a change would apply for future wars. Not the current one.

[worldwideweb3]

Let's get real. If team was doing exactly the same thing, the whole community would've been in flames and you guys know it

This convo did get me thinking. For the sake of argument, let's say I was single again and started dating a member of Team Aether, or just moved in as a roommate with one of them. I'd make myself Warblind, and then it'd be okay for me to start helping Team Aether? I can outright promise you that round 3 would've looked better for them with me "on" the team.

This is more or less the same argument as Zeru "joining" Team Entropy. Is it okay to have an outsider just because they're not part of the community? Someone who isn't formally on a team doesn't gain anything from that team winning either, forum member or not.

I don't want to stop serp from participating, but the rules were designed with this in mind. There's no ambiguity in this part:
"A player caught telling team secrets to anyone outside their own team will face consequences decided on a case-by-case basis, possibly including being permanently banned from all Elements community PvP Events."

All that said, I am not adamantly against a change of this rule. There is an argument for being allowed to share your hobby with your family and friends; we're all here to have fun after all. However, such a change would apply for future wars. Not the current one.

 "case by case basis" says that theres no strict ruling in place

[Higurashi]

That applies to the consequences. It's still clear that it is against the rules.

[Aves]

You and Zeru are part of the community, even if in Zeru's case he's been gone for years. While you joining aether would certainly be analogous to Zeru and entropy, they're clearly different from the case of serpex, which involves two people acting as one entity. Growing up, my best friend and I shared a runescape account. We drifted apart, but if we hadn't then I could easily see a situation wherein "Aves" would be two people. I think it's a dangerous precedent to set if you make people choose between family and the game.

[Higurashi]

And why is it different? As I said, neither outside member gains anything from the team winning besides the fact that they want their significant other to win something.

[Aves]

Disclaimer: Obviously, I'm not as familiar with the rules as Higs is. But here's my take on it:

A team has five members. I argue that one member is on a strict one to one ratio with forum accounts. One forum account is not on a strict one to one relationship with one person; one forum account may have one or more people. However, it IS a rule that one person may only have access to one forum account. Therefore, so long as each person in the shared forum account does not have access to more than one forum account, it should not be considered as breaking the rules. You joining aether by sharing, say, hainkarga's account would break the rules because you would have access to two forum accounts. However, serp and Kae sharing the account "serprex" is not against the rules as each person in serprex can only access serprex, and no other accounts.

[Higurashi]

So I decide to leave the community one day and remove my account. Now it's okay?

The rules have no exceptions, and that's deliberate.

[Aves]

If you mean, you having access to aether's vault silently, then that would be a case of team aether using six members, as there are six separate forum account entities with access to team aether's vault.

Hmm, is account deletion actually a thing? We have a farewell thread section, but afaik nobody's actually requested their account to be deleted.

[Higurashi]

Yes, Admins can delete accounts.

[Aves]

I don't question that Admins can delete accounts, merely if it's ever happened to community members, and not spambots. I've never heard of a situation where people have actually requested their accounts deleted instead of drifting off quietly (or with a rant and barbs towards rivals). In any case, my argument is still that a team consists of five forum account entities/members. Strictly. Two people sharing a forum account is fine as long as each of those people have only access to that one forum account. Is it stated in the rules that two people cannot share an account? I've only heard that one person cannot have more than one account, not the other way around.

[Aves]

To add on to that, I suppose we could simply say that having had a forum account once would be a disqualifying measure in considering eligibility for shared accounts, but that gets into convoluted messes that I don't really want to think about with regards to enforcement, enactment, etc.