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Re: War #10 - General Discussion https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=62475.msg1239763#msg1239763
« Reply #48 on: August 01, 2016, 07:25:50 am »
The dispute is more about 'why' it was done.

It's been said in the thread like six times by now, what are you talking about.

Sorry, let me rephrase that... the ISSUE is 'why/how' it was done.

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Re: War #10 - General Discussion https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=62475.msg1239767#msg1239767
« Reply #49 on: August 01, 2016, 08:39:56 am »
The dispute is more about 'why' it was done.

It's been said in the thread like six times by now, what are you talking about.

Sorry, let me rephrase that... the ISSUE is 'why/how' it was done.
Masters (already) have not that many possibilities to direct how their element shines in the community. Removing some of those would be bad, IMO.
Itr deciding on Discord was his choice, presumably in the best interests of :light.

If (you think/it shows, in the future) that it wasn't in the best interests of :light, you have next trials to comment on that.
If you're in auction, and really don't want to serve under Discord, then there are bans. And by the way, that's what bans are for, not "Oh look a bandwagon! Let's jump on it!"
Otherwise, you're just stirring up the drama flames, and as fun as it is to eat popcorn watching the drama unfold, it's getting a bit boring. :V
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Re: War #10 - General Discussion https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=62475.msg1239797#msg1239797
« Reply #50 on: August 01, 2016, 03:10:06 pm »
The issue that was being discussed here... I never said I had any problem with it either way...

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Re: War #10 - General Discussion https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=62475.msg1239813#msg1239813
« Reply #51 on: August 01, 2016, 05:40:05 pm »
The issue that was being discussed here... I never said I had any problem with it either way...
Oh. My apology for supposing it, then. :V
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Re: War #10 - General Discussion https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=62475.msg1239947#msg1239947
« Reply #52 on: August 03, 2016, 02:56:58 pm »
Can we have war schedule posted somewhere? probably in announcements
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Re: War #10 - General Discussion https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=62475.msg1240038#msg1240038
« Reply #53 on: August 05, 2016, 01:11:16 am »
Can we have war schedule posted somewhere? probably in announcements

I said I would do this yesterday, but kinda passed out a little earlier than planned  ;D


Will this work for you?
something....something....something.....

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Re: War #10 - General Discussion https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=62475.msg1241253#msg1241253
« Reply #54 on: August 14, 2016, 04:07:00 pm »
Yall need to learn how to become spreadsheet gurus.
In deck cost calculator F6:F66 (market prices spreadsheet), you need to replace the formula with =if(F3="","",vlookup(F3,CalcRef!$A1:$G471,7,false))
As you are doing it right now you're looking for the type of card instead of the element. :D
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Re: War #10 - General Discussion https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=62475.msg1246939#msg1246939
« Reply #55 on: September 26, 2016, 03:22:11 am »
Apparently WMs are actually having to discuss this conversation that came up in chat, so I figure we might as well have a public general discussion. WMs haven't actually asked me anything as of yet. I'd prefer this to be an open discussion
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[2016-09-25 14:42:01] AveragePotato: The latest forum post is Re: [Entropy Upgrades] dark ripper 3-0 ARTHAN... from serprex. Save this for bedtime reading.
[2016-09-25 14:42:35] worldwideweb3: ‹@serprex› kae = kaemp?
[2016-09-25 14:43:10] serprex: ‹@worldwideweb3› kae = most wealthiest oetg player
[2016-09-25 14:44:01] AveragePotato: The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 63 - by skyironsword from fabian771. Is this the beginning of the end, or just the end of the beginning?
[2016-09-25 14:44:28] worldwideweb3: whats the etg name
[2016-09-25 14:45:36] serprex: Doesn't have an etg account
[2016-09-25 14:45:55] Fippe94: that's pretty amusing
[2016-09-25 14:46:01] AveragePotato: The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 63 - by skyironsword from skyironsword. It's not a mystery.
[2016-09-25 14:46:03] worldwideweb3: how did he call it then?
[2016-09-25 14:46:12] Fippe94: that the wealthiest oetg player doesn't have an etg account
[2016-09-25 14:46:24] Fippe94: ‹@worldwideweb3› it's serp's girlfriend
[2016-09-25 14:46:42] worldwideweb3: oh
[2016-09-25 14:46:44] Discord: ‹@ji412jo› jijooooooo
[2016-09-25 14:46:52] ji412jo: discooo
[2016-09-25 14:46:58] worldwideweb3: not fair! they got an extra player :sillyspin:
[2016-09-25 14:47:08] Discord: ‹@ji412jo› terr?
[2016-09-25 14:47:35] Fippe94: yeah serp is totally cheating
[2016-09-25 14:47:59] serprex: She even builds some of the decks
[2016-09-25 14:48:01] AveragePotato: The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 63 - by skyironsword from worldwideweb3. Wow, they're still around?
[2016-09-25 14:48:04] serprex: Like the air domin vs Water last round
[2016-09-25 14:48:12] Fippe94: cheating
[2016-09-25 14:48:28] Discord: ‹@Skotadi_Phobos› skoooooo
[2016-09-25 14:49:03] serprex: Need a WM in here to give Light a 200 card penalty, free us from this event
[2016-09-25 14:49:24] fabian771: ‹@serprex› The hell
[2016-09-25 14:49:26] Discord: ‹@serprex› wat
[2016-09-25 14:49:29] Discord: why
[2016-09-25 14:49:32] TheonlyrealBeef: Fire first! :silly:
[2016-09-25 14:49:43] worldwideweb3: ‹@Discord› you have a nice team....
[2016-09-25 14:49:47] serprex: ‹@Discord› because cheating
[2016-09-25 14:50:13] Discord: ‹@serprex› just because someone's giving us deck ideas?
[2016-09-25 14:50:15] Discord: o_O
[2016-09-25 14:51:25] iancudorinmarian: ‹@Discord› That is actually cheating.
[2016-09-25 14:51:27] TheonlyrealBeef: I remember that being a huge issue in some previous war: a member with access to all the stuff acting as an extra player.
[2016-09-25 14:51:58] Discord: ‹@serprex› what have we done
[2016-09-25 14:51:58] Fippe94: tbf, in the context of 'War' you could count kae as an extension of serprex
[2016-09-25 14:52:13] Fippe94: I mean, it's not like she's gonna help anyone else
[2016-09-25 14:52:20] Fippe94: ever
[2016-09-25 14:52:31] iancudorinmarian: ‹@mrpaper› Poke me when you come back.
[2016-09-25 14:52:46] worldwideweb3: lwl
[2016-09-25 14:52:48] worldwideweb3: lel
[2016-09-25 14:52:58] Fippe94: found a rule though: "A player caught telling team secrets to anyone outside their own team will face consequences decided on a case-by-case basis, possibly including being permanently banned from all Elements community PvP Events."
[2016-09-25 14:53:07] fabian771: Can somebopdy tell me how am I supposed to register in OEtG? I can't find the supposed "fields"
[2016-09-25 14:53:13] fabian771: somebody*
[2016-09-25 14:53:15] Fippe94: going strictly by the rules, serp is breaking this
[2016-09-25 14:53:20] worldwideweb3: ‹@Fippe94› but kae doesnt even have etg account :P
[2016-09-25 14:53:23] mrpaper: ‹@iancudorinmarian› im back
[2016-09-25 14:53:30] Fippe94: ‹@worldwideweb3› irrelevant
[2016-09-25 14:53:34] Fippe94: the rules state "anyone"
[2016-09-25 14:53:38] worldwideweb3: also, maybe he didnt tell team secrett...
[2016-09-25 14:53:47] iancudorinmarian: ‹@mrpaper› Ok, tell me what's your available times.
[2016-09-25 14:53:59] worldwideweb3: recommending a deck aint cheating
[2016-09-25 14:54:01] AveragePotato: The latest forum post is Re: answers from ElementalDearWatson. Can you find Waldo?
[2016-09-25 14:54:09] Fippe94: is kae knows what decks light is playing, that is definintely a team secret
[2016-09-25 14:54:16] worldwideweb3: like, in casual chat, we ourselves say shouuld have played this against them
[2016-09-25 14:54:41] TheonlyrealBeef: If you can build a deck for a team, you know something about their vault, too.
[2016-09-25 14:54:56] Fippe94: (note: I don't *actually* think serp or Light should be punished for this)
[2016-09-25 14:55:04] Discord: ‹@Fippe94› ask serp
[2016-09-25 14:55:16] worldwideweb3: also, we dont have any proof that serp gave vault info, so yh
[2016-09-25 14:55:30] worldwideweb3: nothing to go on there, no evidence, so nothing anyone can do :P
[2016-09-25 14:55:37] Fippe94: pretty sure serp will confess if asked :P
[2016-09-25 14:55:43] Fippe94: ‹@serprex› ping
[2016-09-25 14:56:01] AveragePotato: The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 63 - by skyironsword from rob77dp. FIRST!
[2016-09-25 14:56:11] mrpaper: ‹@iancudorinmarian› from now and the next 8-9 hrs... And last minute tomorrow
[2016-09-25 14:56:11] Fippe94: ‹@fabian771› ust type desired username and password and click login
[2016-09-25 14:56:18] Fippe94: just*
[2016-09-25 14:56:30] Fippe94: ‹@fabian771› the user will be created if it does not exist
[2016-09-25 14:56:43] fabian771: ...
[2016-09-25 14:56:46] fabian771: Oh snap
[2016-09-25 14:56:56] iancudorinmarian: ‹@mrpaper› Okay, then I'll wait for like 5 hours, and if aaronk doesn't show up, I'll sub. Is that okay with you?
[2016-09-25 14:57:06] fabian771: I've got to reassemble my mind over what password I've put
[2016-09-25 14:59:01] mrpaper: ‹@iancudorinmarian› sure but he wont.. he is having à football party later today.. hé is supposed to be preparing it now.. since 2hrs alrdy
[2016-09-25 15:00:06] iancudorinmarian: ‹@mrpaper› nah, 5 PM GMT is in 1 hour.
[2016-09-25 15:00:27] worldwideweb3: ‹@iancudorinmarian› actually, no
[2016-09-25 15:00:29] worldwideweb3: in 2 ohurs
[2016-09-25 15:00:30] worldwideweb3: hours
[2016-09-25 15:00:34] TheonlyrealBeef: in 2 hours indeed
[2016-09-25 15:00:52] iancudorinmarian: Ah, right, still in daylight saving time.
[2016-09-25 15:01:30] Lunaris: Good morning chat
[2016-09-25 15:02:22] worldwideweb3: anyone wanna play leagues?
[2016-09-25 15:03:12] serprex: Kae was given vault info, how else could she build decks?
[2016-09-25 15:03:29] serprex: Still no vagman so dishes
[2016-09-25 15:03:36] worldwideweb3: -.- stop digging a hole for yourself
[2016-09-25 15:03:42] Discord: we're screwed
[2016-09-25 15:04:54] mrpaper: ‹@iancudorinmarian› oh. Well in 2 hrs i'll be around!
[2016-09-25 15:05:05] Fippe94: on the other hand
[2016-09-25 15:05:17] Fippe94: note that the rule also state: "consequences decided on a case-by-case basis"
[2016-09-25 15:05:24] Fippe94: so I think you're fine
[2016-09-25 15:06:10] Fippe94: I'm *pretty* sure that WMs don't mind that a RL friend takes a look and helps a little
[2016-09-25 15:06:18] Fippe94: as long as you don't stretch it to some extreme
[2016-09-25 15:06:20] TheonlyrealBeef: Yeah, like the difference between being eliminated retro-actively or just starting now :silly:
[2016-09-25 15:06:52] Fippe94: also important to note is of course that kae does not have a forum account, or even game account
[2016-09-25 15:08:00] iancudorinmarian: Ban serprex!
[2016-09-25 15:08:08] iancudorinmarian: :awesome:
[2016-09-25 15:08:41] Lunaris: I won't be around until later today
[2016-09-25 15:09:07] Lunaris: So wishing you all good luck in war matches and such
[2016-09-25 15:09:19] Lunaris: Byebye~
[2016-09-25 15:09:54] worldwideweb3: cya
[2016-09-25 15:10:14] worldwideweb3: i wanna see how many transmutations people did...
[2016-09-25 15:10:27] worldwideweb3: physs said he was waiting on math to tell him so he can update relics...
[2016-09-25 15:10:38] worldwideweb3: ‹@Afdarenty› how many transmutations did you guys do?
[2016-09-25 15:10:58] Afdarenty: One? Or two? Not many
[2016-09-25 15:11:08] worldwideweb3: ah ok
[2016-09-25 15:11:39] worldwideweb3: was kinda scared that you guys may go all out and do 12 transmutations :P
[2016-09-25 15:11:40] serprex: We did 1
[2016-09-25 15:11:57] Afdarenty: I like cards more than upgrades
[2016-09-25 15:11:58] serprex: Air likes upgrades, it'd make sense
[2016-09-25 15:12:45] Afdarenty: If we had anything useful to transmute to I'd go for it. You guys just don't beat us enough :P
[2016-09-25 15:13:33] dracomageat: ‹@iancudorinmarian› it's called british summer time over here
[2016-09-25 15:13:42] dracomageat: the initials are quite fitting
[2016-09-25 15:14:01] AveragePotato: The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 63 - by skyironsword from Solaris. This is my favorite!
[2016-09-25 15:15:10] Ryli: "Summer"time
[2016-09-25 15:15:45] ji412jo: anyone knows how the game analysis works on lichess?
[2016-09-25 15:17:29] Aves: ‹@Ryli› It's september 25, that's autumn
[2016-09-25 15:17:46] Aves: /me can't read.
[2016-09-25 15:20:41] dracomageat: ‹@Ryli› hey, it's kinda summer here
[2016-09-25 15:20:51] dracomageat: as summer as it ever was atleast
[2016-09-25 15:21:08] dracomageat: not that that stops stores selling christmas stuff
[2016-09-25 15:21:12] Basman-1453: Well, it's only _very early_ autumn for you northerners~
[2016-09-25 15:21:28] Solaris: someone explain me how somebody helping Light is anything but illegal
[2016-09-25 15:21:45] ji412jo: ‹@Solaris› it's light.
[2016-09-25 15:21:49] Basman-1453: ‹@dracomageat› lel. To think that I ran into shops selling Christmas trees despite it was still November or so (keep in mind that my locality had a Muslim majority)
[2016-09-25 15:21:57] worldwideweb3: just shut up sol and go away, looking to give everyone penalties :/
[2016-09-25 15:22:01] AveragePotato: The latest forum post is Re: Code Crash - by fabian771 from Ryli. I'd walk a mile for this post.
[2016-09-25 15:22:10] Solaris: ‹@worldwideweb3› no, this is actually bullshit
[2016-09-25 15:22:28] worldwideweb3: im sure we all have said at some point "they should have played that"
[2016-09-25 15:22:39] worldwideweb3: thats also "cheating"
[2016-09-25 15:22:45] dracomageat: ‹@Basman-1453› my city isn't all that muslim but my immediate vacinity is all muslims and students apart from my family
[2016-09-25 15:23:01] Solaris: yes, but they have a 6th person doing it actively during deckbuilding phase
[2016-09-25 15:23:08] Basman-1453: ‹@dracomageat› Wow, that's pretty surprising :O
[2016-09-25 15:23:17] worldwideweb3: it doesnt change anything
[2016-09-25 15:23:34] worldwideweb3: if you say "you should have played that", its also helping
[2016-09-25 15:23:48] dracomageat: it's a strange area in that regard
[2016-09-25 15:24:00] Solaris: ‹@worldwideweb3› if you say it de facto, nobody cares
[2016-09-25 15:24:23] worldwideweb3: and if someone who doesnt even play etg says it, it matters all that much?
[2016-09-25 15:24:36] dracomageat: ‹@Solaris› go hire some deckbuilding help of your own
[2016-09-25 15:24:56] ji412jo: ‹@worldwideweb3› if we say ''they should have played that'' it's not knowing whether they actually can, since we do not know their vaults
[2016-09-25 15:24:56] Solaris: but it's the fact that someone that isnt Team Light or a WM has access to Team Light's vault
[2016-09-25 15:25:02] ji412jo: having a 6th player is actually knowing secrets.
[2016-09-25 15:25:21] worldwideweb3: idk if they have access or not
[2016-09-25 15:25:42] Solaris: ‹@worldwideweb3› how could they build decks if they didnt have access
[2016-09-25 15:25:53] ji412jo: but well i do not want to enter this argument.
[2016-09-25 15:25:56] worldwideweb3: ‹@Solaris› not build, but recommend
[2016-09-25 15:26:12] worldwideweb3: just like we recommend without knowing their vaults
[2016-09-25 15:26:23] Solaris: ‹@worldwideweb3› [11:03:12] ‹serprex› Kae was given vault info, how else could she build decks?
[2016-09-25 15:26:55] Discord: doesn't mean she has access\
[2016-09-25 15:26:59] worldwideweb3: maybe serp was just joking about~
[2016-09-25 15:27:11] worldwideweb3: also given vault info is different to access, yes
[2016-09-25 15:27:11] iancudorinmarian: Light is getting pretty rekt anyway. Also, considering it's actually a RL friend, there's not much one can do.
[2016-09-25 15:27:21] worldwideweb3: i could say team air has 15 damsels at least
[2016-09-25 15:27:35] Discord: ‹@worldwideweb3› or more :P
[2016-09-25 15:27:44] worldwideweb3: proabbly 24 :P
[2016-09-25 15:27:45] Solaris: ‹@worldwideweb3› thats not given vault info, thats literally just an estimate
[2016-09-25 15:27:52] worldwideweb3: seeing as they didnt lose that much
[2016-09-25 15:28:08] worldwideweb3: ‹@Solaris› vault access =/= vault info
[2016-09-25 15:28:09] Discord: ‹@Solaris› it's air, they obvs have damsels
[2016-09-25 15:28:10] Basman-1453: Guesstimate, at best. Not actually supported by data :P
[2016-09-25 15:28:16] worldwideweb3: so its fine either way
[2016-09-25 15:29:03] Solaris: ‹@worldwideweb3› vault info is literally just as good as access, since it's all the totals from the vault
[2016-09-25 15:29:11] worldwideweb3: do we just wanna find ways to give people penalty?
[2016-09-25 15:29:38] worldwideweb3: ‹@Solaris› you cant prove kae had access, so rip
[2016-09-25 15:29:50] Ryli: ‹@Solaris› Raise the issue with the warmasters, they'll make the decision.
[2016-09-25 15:30:16] Discord: or say, "we have this card" then said person knows that we have that card and can build accordingly, yes?
[2016-09-25 15:30:34] Solaris: ‹@Discord› that is vault info, which is private...
[2016-09-25 15:30:46] worldwideweb3: ‹@Solaris› you have vault info on us
[2016-09-25 15:30:51] worldwideweb3: you know we have bws in our vault
[2016-09-25 15:31:00] Discord: doesn't mean she has access
[2016-09-25 15:31:11] worldwideweb3: teams collect vault info as war goes on
[2016-09-25 15:31:15] worldwideweb3: info =/= access
[2016-09-25 15:31:39] serprex: Light's vault is probably more secure than most teams
[2016-09-25 15:31:52] Solaris: ‹@worldwideweb3› difference between witnessing a card being used and info being relayed
[2016-09-25 15:31:54] serprex: I restricted access to only members + wms + kae
[2016-09-25 15:32:03] serprex: Whereas with other teams anyone with the link has access
[2016-09-25 15:32:04] serprex: ie higs
[2016-09-25 15:32:35] Solaris: ‹@serprex› so you're saying that Kae has acess to vault, like Disc was trying to argue she didnt?
[2016-09-25 15:32:38] Fippe94: serp is just digging his own grave lol
[2016-09-25 15:33:02] Solaris: you guys are sketchy as shit and I'm pming wms lol
[2016-09-25 15:33:04] Fippe94: regardless, this is a RL frend with no forum or game account
[2016-09-25 15:33:05] worldwideweb3: ‹@Solaris› also means WMs knew about it and were fine with it
[2016-09-25 15:33:09] Fippe94: It's fine
[2016-09-25 15:33:20] worldwideweb3: also, your own team member is saying its fine
[2016-09-25 15:33:21] Solaris: ‹@Fippe94› how is it fine?
[2016-09-25 15:33:35] serprex: Also it's not just a RL friend
[2016-09-25 15:33:38] Fippe94: how it not fine
[2016-09-25 15:33:42] serprex: Kae lives with me, her computer is right beside me
[2016-09-25 15:33:45] iancudorinmarian: I told WMs to make my vault private, got no reply.
[2016-09-25 15:33:49] serprex: So I'm literally sitting with her building decks
[2016-09-25 15:33:51] iancudorinmarian: ;-;
[2016-09-25 15:33:57] serprex: ‹@iancudorinmarian› I didn't have to ask
[2016-09-25 15:34:03] Fippe94: how is it not fine*
[2016-09-25 15:34:09] worldwideweb3: ‹@Solaris› if your brother comes along while you were vaulting, you should get penalty?
[2016-09-25 15:34:17] iancudorinmarian: ‹@serprex› wat
[2016-09-25 15:34:19] worldwideweb3: ^just an example
[2016-09-25 15:34:22] Solaris: ‹@worldwideweb3› he also knows nil about the game
[2016-09-25 15:34:36] worldwideweb3: ‹@Solaris› kae doesnt play etg either
[2016-09-25 15:34:59] serprex: She was suggesting we play more pacify
[2016-09-25 15:35:01] Solaris: ‹@worldwideweb3› its self evident that Kae knows about the game, if she's building decks
[2016-09-25 15:35:40] Solaris: also, it was previously mentioned that she played oEtG.. game knowledge from there is easily transferrable to etg
[2016-09-25 15:35:52] Ryli: Don't allow people to play if they have a relative or partner who understands how card games work?
[2016-09-25 15:35:56] Discord: ‹@Solaris› [11:34:59] ‹serprex› She was suggesting we play more pacify
[2016-09-25 15:36:00] Discord: ^lol
[2016-09-25 15:36:01] Fippe94: ‹@iancudorinmarian› as far as I can tell, anyone can change edit restrictions on their own vault
[2016-09-25 15:37:17] iancudorinmarian: ‹@Fippe94› ...I didn't realize that before.
[2016-09-25 15:37:34] Fippe94: can't remove war masters from being able to edit though :P
[2016-09-25 15:37:55] Solaris: ‹@Fippe94› darn, we cant annex war then
[2016-09-25 15:39:00] Basman-1453: alimaghribi.tumblr.com/post/63006751787/troll...
[2016-09-25 15:43:00] Fippe94: ‹@Solaris› What if your brother did know about the game though
[2016-09-25 15:43:10] Fippe94: and gave you some suggestions
[2016-09-25 15:43:37] Solaris: ‹@Fippe94› I'd tell him to fuck off like I normally do
[2016-09-25 15:44:01] AveragePotato: The latest forum post is Re: (Aether Upgraded) Vangelios 3 - 1 Sera (... from deuce22. Yeup.
[2016-09-25 15:44:07] Solaris: there's also a difference there though
[2016-09-25 15:44:31] Solaris: in Kae's case, its pretty apparent that her feedback and help was requested/condoned
[2016-09-25 15:45:08] Afdarenty: lol, I bet you are, deuce
[2016-09-25 15:45:12] Solaris: in my brother's hypothetical case, it's not, and i'd probably just call him a ninny and ignore his suggestion anyways
[2016-09-25 15:45:58] worldwideweb3: ‹@Solaris› light ignored kaes suggestion too
[2016-09-25 15:46:01] AveragePotato: The latest forum post is Re: answers from ARTHANASIOS. I found Wally.
[2016-09-25 15:46:01] worldwideweb3: thats why they lost
[2016-09-25 15:46:13] ji412jo: War without nymphs?
[2016-09-25 15:46:16] Solaris: ‹@worldwideweb3› uhh no lol
[2016-09-25 15:46:20] ji412jo: I think the only element that gets heavily punished is air
[2016-09-25 15:46:33] Discord: ‹@Solaris› how would you know? You're not in team light.
[2016-09-25 15:46:33] worldwideweb3: ‹@Solaris› well, yes, if you read the entro match ^^
[2016-09-25 15:46:56] Solaris: ‹@Discord› maybe I am ;)
[2016-09-25 15:47:05] Discord: ‹@Solaris› No,
[2016-09-25 15:47:12] Discord: Shoo, pesky life thing
[2016-09-25 15:47:56] Solaris: ‹@worldwideweb3› elementscommunity.org/forum/round-4-249/(entr... > seems as if they went with her read on :life matchup
[2016-09-25 15:48:01] AveragePotato: The latest forum post is Re: (Aether Upgraded) Vangelios 3 - 1 Sera (... from ARTHANASIOS. It's a good read.
[2016-09-25 15:48:28] worldwideweb3: oh thats why you are salty
[2016-09-25 15:48:39] Discord: lol just cos she called it doesn't mean she made the deck for it
[2016-09-25 15:48:42] worldwideweb3: just cause you lost to them, makes sense
[2016-09-25 15:48:57] Afdarenty: ‹@ji412jo› Air gets hit hardest. But also Earth, Death, Water, Light, Time
[2016-09-25 15:49:32] worldwideweb3: if in chat, someone says something like "entro gonna play bows next round like always)
[2016-09-25 15:49:38] worldwideweb3: and they are right
[2016-09-25 15:49:42] worldwideweb3: penalty for them?
[2016-09-25 15:49:47] Aves: ian played 3 grabbows in a row, so...
[2016-09-25 15:49:52] Aves: xD
[2016-09-25 15:50:04] worldwideweb3: yh, i always say entro gonna play grabbow~
[2016-09-25 15:50:05] Solaris: there's an obvious difference here and I'm fairly certain you know it
[2016-09-25 15:50:12] worldwideweb3: cal probably has a bow too
[2016-09-25 15:50:13] iancudorinmarian: You're not allowed to predict my grabbows.
[2016-09-25 15:50:24] iancudorinmarian: Penalty for :gravity
[2016-09-25 15:50:29] Basman-1453: That one's guesstimate at best.
[2016-09-25 15:50:31] worldwideweb3: there is no difference, you are making too much out of it
[2016-09-25 15:50:46] Aves: Is Time allowed to predict your grabbows? Precognition
[2016-09-25 15:50:47] worldwideweb3: ‹@Basman-1453› kae was guesstimating life's deck too...
[2016-09-25 15:51:12] Afdarenty: ‹@worldwideweb3› Where would you draw the line, then?
[2016-09-25 15:51:47] worldwideweb3: ‹@Afdarenty› if you find someone in RL to help you, thats fine idc much
[2016-09-25 15:52:09] worldwideweb3: so if you wanna ask your siblings, parents about match against gravity, go for it :P
[2016-09-25 15:52:14] Basman-1453: "entro gonna play bows next round like always) (sic) is just too vague to make out of anyway
[2016-09-25 15:52:18] worldwideweb3: and i would be overly pleased if you listen to them :D
[2016-09-25 15:52:59] Afdarenty: Rapid and chrispy are brothers. How'd you feel if chrispy didn't bother joining the auction but just helped whichever team Rapid ended up on?
[2016-09-25 15:53:04] Ryli: ‹@worldwideweb3› You say that, but I'm sure my roommate could come up with a fair deck if I explained the game to him. :P
[2016-09-25 15:53:11] Afdarenty: I don't really want to get involved here, just curious where you stand on all this
[2016-09-25 15:53:12] serprex: I didn't think Life would play Light/Life vs us because 'that'd be stupid'
[2016-09-25 15:53:14] serprex: But they did
[2016-09-25 15:53:49] serprex: Fire/Light as to have good chances vs Frogtal & Fire/Life
[2016-09-25 15:54:01] AveragePotato: The latest forum post is Re: (Air Upgrades) trashduke 3 - 1 rob77dp (D... from ARTHANASIOS. Good to the last word.
[2016-09-25 15:54:03] worldwideweb3: ‹@Afdarenty› fine by me, tbh. its his choice, not as if we can prevent that anyways
[2016-09-25 15:54:17] mythologyrules: -falls in-
[2016-09-25 15:54:19] Fippe94: ‹@Afdarenty› I would not like that
[2016-09-25 15:54:27] Lunaris: Hey myth
[2016-09-25 15:54:37] Solaris: ‹@Afdarenty I'm sure we know my stance on that
[2016-09-25 15:54:47] Fippe94: but kae doesn't have a forum account, so it's not the same thing
[2016-09-25 15:55:01] Aves: I don't think it's something we can prevent, at the very least, so I'm not sure there would be a poitn.
[2016-09-25 15:55:03] Aves: point*
[2016-09-25 15:55:14] worldwideweb3: ^
[2016-09-25 15:55:32] Aves: The "don't share vault with anybody" is more for the team's security than for preventing outside aid
[2016-09-25 15:55:42] Solaris: ‹@Aves› not really a matter of prevention, but I do think matters should be taken because it's happening
[2016-09-25 15:55:47] mythologyrules: hello Luna
[2016-09-25 15:55:48] worldwideweb3: indeed what aves said
[2016-09-25 15:55:56] Solaris: ‹@Aves› regardless, its still in the rules, and its not being followed
[2016-09-25 15:55:58] worldwideweb3: ‹@Solaris› prove its happening.
[2016-09-25 15:56:01] AveragePotato: The latest forum post is Re: I have played this game for a week and al... from Monox D. I-Fly. Really?
[2016-09-25 15:56:19] serprex: ‹@Solaris› prove it without relying on my honesty
[2016-09-25 15:56:27] worldwideweb3: ^
[2016-09-25 15:56:44] Solaris: fuckit, I'll go grab someone I know from IRL who plays EtG
[2016-09-25 15:56:48] Fippe94: lol
[2016-09-25 15:56:53] worldwideweb3: go ahead~
[2016-09-25 15:56:59] Solaris: since it's all SO ok
[2016-09-25 15:56:59] Fippe94: ‹@Solaris› does he have a forum account?
[2016-09-25 15:57:06] worldwideweb3: if they are as good as you, we have no problem :sillyspin:
[2016-09-25 15:57:10] Solaris: ‹@Fippe94› nope
[2016-09-25 15:57:13] Afdarenty: Why does having a forum account matter, exactly?
[2016-09-25 15:57:14] Aves: If my room mate plays elements, and I say to him, 'hey, life is so annoying with firestall' it doesn't really make a significant difference.
[2016-09-25 15:57:18] serprex: Life gonna become #1 team with this mystery 6th member
[2016-09-25 15:57:38] Fippe94: ‹@Afdarenty› mostly so that they cannot be in war or auction themselves
[2016-09-25 15:57:41] serprex: ‹@Afdarenty› because if they don't have a forum account they're not really a member of the community
[2016-09-25 15:58:01] AveragePotato: The latest forum post is Re: Hello! from ARTHANASIOS. Don't tell them I said that.
[2016-09-25 15:58:30] serprex: Fun fact: my account is actually kae's
[2016-09-25 15:58:33] serprex: Since we share her kong account
[2016-09-25 15:58:35] Aves: ‹@serprex› It would be different if you were, say, on a game design equivalent of stack overflow and asking for help there, but I think there is a clear difference in the cases
[2016-09-25 15:59:03] Afdarenty: Haha, this is a fun issue
[2016-09-25 15:59:40] worldwideweb3: ‹@Afdarenty› so, can i expect your family to make a deck for next round aganist us? :D
[2016-09-25 15:59:48] iancudorinmarian: There's two ways of handling this: 200 cards penalty for :light or ignore this and continue :sillyspin:

Later chat has me talking with www3 about testing decks with Kae. She stopped me from losing to Aether too

I'll leave my own opinions out of analysis for now

I live with a girl who grasps etg, AMA
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Re: War #10 - General Discussion https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=62475.msg1246942#msg1246942
« Reply #56 on: September 26, 2016, 03:44:50 am »
For what it's worth, War 1's Team Light had an extra person, never specified who, with access to the vault and they got told off hard by Scaredgirl - basically, if she had known about it or if it happened again, there would be massive penalties.

I don't know if this should be considered the same situation but it is the closest event I can think of.

The reason I think this should be explicitly against the rules is because otherwise a general can make an agreement with a player that they sit out of auction and assist that team as an extra member, which circumvents the entire auction.
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Re: War #10 - General Discussion https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=62475.msg1246945#msg1246945
« Reply #57 on: September 26, 2016, 04:22:08 am »
With an extra forum member, clearly, that would be wrong.

On the other hand, somebody pointing out "hey, don't play two supernovae in the same turn" or "entropy's used a lot of grabbows" or "nightmare counters fractal, you dummy," or "you forgot to make a mono" while looking over your shoulder isn't significant. I think it'd be hard to write a reasonable rule barring general common knowledge, especially with regards to regulating people who aren't even part of our community. Otherwise, I welcome the day when we say something along the lines of "thou must command thy Elements in secrete by yonder darke wood neath the silent embrace of blessed Lunaris upon the sixth bell."
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Re: War #10 - General Discussion https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=62475.msg1246951#msg1246951
« Reply #58 on: September 26, 2016, 06:04:05 am »
Question to anyone who may read, regarding this situation:

Spoiler for Hidden:
Would you be comfortable that this, without a doubt, is 100% acceptable in the context of War, in your own team?

Would you permit it if you caught wind that this was occuring in your team?

I sure wouldn't.

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Re: War #10 - General Discussion https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=62475.msg1246952#msg1246952
« Reply #59 on: September 26, 2016, 06:14:07 am »
With an extra forum member, clearly, that would be wrong.

On the other hand, somebody pointing out "hey, don't play two supernovae in the same turn" or "entropy's used a lot of grabbows" or "nightmare counters fractal, you dummy," or "you forgot to make a mono" while looking over your shoulder isn't significant. I think it'd be hard to write a reasonable rule barring general common knowledge, especially with regards to regulating people who aren't even part of our community. Otherwise, I welcome the day when we say something along the lines of "thou must command thy Elements in secrete by yonder darke wood neath the silent embrace of blessed Lunaris upon the sixth bell."

I agree with your last paragraph. However, it does seem that there is more than just the examples you gave. To me, these are the important lines:

[2016-09-25 14:47:59] serprex: She even builds some of the decks
[2016-09-25 14:48:04] serprex: Like the air domin vs Water last round
[2016-09-25 15:03:12] serprex: Kae was given vault info, how else could she build decks?
[2016-09-25 15:31:54] serprex: I restricted access to only members + wms + kae

And then from the rules: 'A player caught telling team secrets to anyone outside their own team will face consequences decided on a case-by-case basis'

To me, I think the argument should be how much of a competitive advantage was gained, not whether there was one - by these four quotes, Light appears to have an extra person effectively acting like an extra team member, in that they are building decks and actively given exclusive vault access. Even if WMs decide the appropriate punishment is zero, I think an investigation would be appreciated by many as in the best interests of the spirit of war.

Would you be comfortable that this, without a doubt, is 100% acceptable in the context of War, in your own team?

Would you permit it if you caught wind that this was occuring in your team?

This would not have been permitted on any team I was General of, and no General I was playing under allowing such would continue to have my support.
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