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[Sir Valimont]

The goal of every smart player should be: how to get in a team you want with the smallest possible price. Winners of this auction are not the players who get bid on the most, winners are the veteran players who get in to their favorite team for only 1 card.

By the way Scaredgirl, if this statement is at all true then THAT'S what you should be rewarding with a prize, not the highest-bid-on player.

[GG]

I really hatet to see anyone other than future Team Gravity members arguing about this stupid matter.

Why do you even care if I've bought vrt for 26 cards and cost an entire deck? Are you in my team? No? Then does it even matter to you? Maybe shouldn't you be happy instead since one of the teams 'idiotically' spent 26 cards on a player and the chance of your team winning the war as increased significantly?



I'm going to make this clear: I bid because I thought it was a risk to take. He may turn out to be an awesome participant and dueler, and he could even help me win the propaganda and pay back 12 cards.

[Scaredgirl]

30% of vrt making himself expensive by being neutral
30% of Generals paying too much
40% of event rules that give high value neutral players a disadvantage

WOW.

No offense to any of you, but I mean, I don't know what else to say. This is just debilitatingly stupid.

vrt is absolutely not to blame, not even 1%. He is NEUTRAL so he doesn't want to be on one team more than another. It is the generals' responsibility to figure out how much to pay for him. What kind of UTTER NONSENSE mentality blames vrt for not choosing one team over another? If it was accepted that someone should HAVE to play for a team just because they bid 24 cards, then the rule should be that 24 cards automatically wins a player. And then it's no longer an auction -- it's a sale. Everything costs 24 but you can try to offer the shopkeeper less.

vrt is not "making himself expensive." Generals bidding on him are making him expensive. If someone bids higher than someone else, it's not because anyone forced him to. If someone wins vrt for 60 cards, it's because that general bid 60 cards. The WHOLE POINT of an auction is that you have to figure out how much it is worth paying for someone ... not that you have to complain after buying something about the auction process because you were INEPT and bid something you couldn't afford.

What adds insult to injury is that vrt is even INCENTIVIZED to remain neutral, since he is not a jerk and SHOULDN'T take sides. Not only is that the point of being a slave as opposed to a mercenary/loyalist, but also there is a PRIZE for being the highest-bid-on player.

My goodness, applying this utterly juvenile logic in real life ... whether in an auction or any other context ... is just so nonsensical and counter-productive that I'm glad for everyone's sake this is just a game.

This is the second time I see you on this forum having very strong opinion on something you don't even fully understand, and being disrespectful and condescending. I don't like that tone of yours, and if this kind of flaming continues, I will take action. Let me say that more clearly. If I see one more topic in War section, where you use the same highly disrespectful tone you've been using on this topic, you will be removed from this event. Period.


Now, back to topic.. the thing you don't understand here is that nobody is blaming vrt for ruining the event or anything like that. We are talking about this thing as a bad strategy move for him and how it will affect his future team.

Let me explain this in simple terms.

- The goal of War is to win.
- To win, you need cards.
- Your future team has a pile of cards.
- Your General has to use those cards to pay for you
- Making yourself as cheap as possible, benefits your team because your team will have more cards
- You can affect your own maximum price by ending the auction prematurely
- Not ending the auction prematurely, makes you more expensive
- being expensive is a bad thing because your team will have less cards

While being neutral is cool and fits this whole auction thing perfectly, with the rules we have, it's a bad strategy move if you are a valuable player like vrt is.

So that's what it's all about. Strategy.

[vrt]

Personally, I think it's not smart to make a 24+ bid without asking me if I'll accept a buyout it in the first place. MrBlonde posted his bid while I was asleep, so even if I'd have loved to be on Team Death; wouldn't have worked.

[High-Lord Vin]

 ??? can we just get back to bidding and if your a master and would like vrt to make the "strategic move" then pm him

and finally, a good rule for the next is as thus:

Only the person who started the topic and the masters may post in a auction topic

and finally finally , Sir Valimont could have chosen better words, true, but I don't really see it as flaming and I don't think he should be punished for not being a good diplomat (choosing better words)

[High-Lord Vin]

Personally, I think it's not smart to make a 24+ bid without asking me if I'll accept a buyout it in the first place. MrBlonde posted his bid while I was asleep, so even if I'd have loved to be on Team Death; wouldn't have worked.

point proven

[kobisjeruk]

and finally finally , Sir Valimont could have chosen better words, true, but I don't really see it as flaming and I don't think he should be punished for not being tactful

fixed

when people use too much CAPS, bolded or underlined text unnecessarily, you should know theres something going on there
i would because i use them a lot

*goes back lurking*

[Sir Valimont]

I don't mince words. I say what I think. I always say it without personal attacks. If someone has a problem with that they can PM me about it.

[guolin]

30% of vrt making himself expensive by being neutral
30% of Generals paying too much
40% of event rules that give high value neutral players a disadvantage

WOW.

No offense to any of you, but I mean, I don't know what else to say. This is just debilitatingly stupid.

vrt is absolutely not to blame, not even 1%. He is NEUTRAL so he doesn't want to be on one team more than another. It is the generals' responsibility to figure out how much to pay for him. What kind of UTTER NONSENSE mentality blames vrt for not choosing one team over another? If it was accepted that someone should HAVE to play for a team just because they bid 24 cards, then the rule should be that 24 cards automatically wins a player. And then it's no longer an auction -- it's a sale. Everything costs 24 but you can try to offer the shopkeeper less.

vrt is not "making himself expensive." Generals bidding on him are making him expensive. If someone bids higher than someone else, it's not because anyone forced him to. If someone wins vrt for 60 cards, it's because that general bid 60 cards. The WHOLE POINT of an auction is that you have to figure out how much it is worth paying for someone ... not that you have to complain after buying something about the auction process because you were INEPT and bid something you couldn't afford.

What adds insult to injury is that vrt is even INCENTIVIZED to remain neutral, since he is not a jerk and SHOULDN'T take sides. Not only is that the point of being a slave as opposed to a mercenary/loyalist, but also there is a PRIZE for being the highest-bid-on player.

My goodness, applying this utterly juvenile logic in real life ... whether in an auction or any other context ... is just so nonsensical and counter-productive that I'm glad for everyone's sake this is just a game.

This is the second time I see you on this forum having very strong opinion on something you don't even fully understand, and being disrespectful and condescending. I don't like that tone of yours, and if this kind of flaming continues, I will take action. Let me say that more clearly. If I see one more topic in War section, where you use the same highly disrespectful tone you've been using on this topic, you will be removed from this event. Period.


Now, back to topic.. the thing you don't understand here is that nobody is blaming vrt for ruining the event or anything like that. We are talking about this thing as a bad strategy move for him and how it will affect his future team.

Let me explain this in simple terms.

- The goal of War is to win.
- To win, you need cards.
- Your future team has a pile of cards.
- Your General has to use those cards to pay for you
- Making yourself as cheap as possible, benefits your team because your team will have more cards
- You can affect your own maximum price by ending the auction prematurely
- Not ending the auction prematurely, makes you more expensive
- being expensive is a bad thing because your team will have less cards

While being neutral is cool and fits this whole auction thing perfectly, with the rules we have, it's a bad strategy move if you are a valuable player like vrt is.

So that's what it's all about. Strategy.

Despite his tactlessness, the guy has a point. The award that is to be given to expensive players really doesn't help much was this strategy, although the strategy itself is beneficial to your prospective team. As an expensive player, you have to choose: Do I want to have a high chance of getting the bid award, or do I want to give my prospective team a slightly higher chance of success, and said success = an award. Since they are supposedly neutral, they may end up hating their team, and things get violent.

Just my 2 electrum, though. I'm not going to argue any further on this point, but I will throw this out there.

[Daxx]

I don't mince words. I say what I think. I always say it without personal attacks. If someone has a problem with that they can PM me about it.

Though when the administrator calls you out in public, it's probably better to listen or engage privately rather than being passive-aggressive about it. /OT

Despite his tactlessness, the guy has a point. The award that is to be given to expensive players really doesn't help much was this strategy, although the strategy itself is beneficial to your prospective team. As an expensive player, you have to choose: Do I want to have a high chance of getting the bid award, or do I want to give my prospective team a slightly higher chance of success, and said success = an award. Since they are supposedly neutral, they may end up hating their team, and things get violent.

Depends on which award you value more, I suppose. Disregarding the award for MVP, however, the optimal strategy for winning the War is indeed to make yourself as cheap as possible. Everyone has an incentive to keep the bids as low as possible, coupled with the incentive of wanting to assemble the best team possible and the incentive to bid offensively against the other Masters in order to make them waste resources.

[vrt]

Alright, this is just getting ridiculous. Can't we all just get along?

[GG]

Whatever. One thing is sure: vrt is certainly a member of team Gravity now. I really, really doubt that anyone will bid more.

Besides, look at his profile picture; it's a freakin' OTYUGH in suits.