vrt

[Sir Valimont]

no, you sir dont get it
buyout is at 24 cards, highest bidder
anyone who refuse buyout means any master that want them on the team have to fork out 25+ cards for bid and thus putting the biggest possible disadvantage for the team

Wow, do I really have to explain this to you?

A player can choose to go to the team THAT HAS THE HIGHEST BID if it's at 24. If another team wants him, then that team will have to bid higher ... so it's just a matter of whether that team wants him. If that team wants him, then they are clearly willing to pay 25+ cards, so good for them if they end of paying it.

If the player WANTED to go to the team who bid 24, then that's fine and dandy ... but clearly vrt is neutral. In my view that's only normal since he's a SLAVE. If you aren't neutral you shouldn't be in this section in the first place.

And I will add: Duh.

[kobisjeruk]

stick to your condescending tone champ
i'm sure that and your dissing another ex master will get you picked ASAP
*wink*wink*

[Sir Valimont]

stick to your condescending tone champ
i'm sure that and your dissing another ex master will get you picked ASAP
*wink*wink*

My apologies if you took my comments the wrong way.

I think that vrt's decision not to choose a master is perfectly reasonable and I found your comments on the subject to be quite wrong, that's all. If you'd like to explain what you meant, let's talk about it.

[vrt]

The reason I'm not doing the buyout thing is because, as has been mentioned, I'm just neutral to it. This means if any General really wants me on their team and wants to shell out huge numbers of cards, let them do it if they believe it's smart. That's not my decision, but the General's.

[coinich]

I'm asleep for a few hours and this happens? Oh lord.


I've mentioned it before on chat, though: I'm not going to accept any buyout, I'll wait to see where I'm at when the timer runs out. Nothing against you, GG, but I just don't have any major preference.

Uhhh, so no matter what you're causing the biggest possible disadvantage to your team?  Smart...

Lol. Because of course it wouldn't be a general's fault if s/he bid an amount of cards and then actually WON the bid, right? That's a pretty dumb post considering you're making fun of someone else's smartness.

That doesn't mean Glitch doesn't have a point however.  The higher a team pays for anyone, the less they have to build their vault with; thats the way the prep rounds work.  A higher cost player is exactly that, and at the moment vrt is valued at a full deck, before someone tries to take that propaganda bonus into account.  Certainly his decision is to see who wants him the most, and thats fine.  Also, some masters could be bidding simply to drive the price up.

[Sir Valimont]

That doesn't mean Glitch doesn't have a point however.  The higher a team pays for anyone, the less they have to build their vault with; thats the way the prep rounds work.  A higher cost player is exactly that, and at the moment vrt is valued at a full deck, before someone tries to take that propaganda bonus into account.  Certainly his decision is to see who wants him the most, and thats fine.  Also, some masters could be bidding simply to drive the price up.

Glitch doesn't have a point ... what you mean is that there is a point involved in the discussion ... and that point is exactly as you state above (there is some gamesmanship involved between masters). Nonetheless, somehow blaming vrt for a completely neutral position is not even 1% correct.

[Glitch]

Alright sir Valimont, consider this.

Suppose vrt gets accepted to gravity at a cost of 65 cards.

But death had previously bid 24 cards on him.

By waiting until the highest bidder, vrt has cost his own team 41 cards, and potentially an entire round of play.

I, on the other hand, chose to be a loyalist specifically to avoid this.  I knew quite a few elements would bid on me, so instead of draining their cards unnecessarily, I chose to be a loyalist.  Seeing as Essence was willing to pay 6 cards for me, I made the right decision.  I will cost my team the lowest amount of cards I possibly can, and as a result, my team has more resources to work with.

vrt, by creating this auction, is forcing whatever team he's on to pay the maximum cost.  If he instead joined the first team that bid the buy-out price, he'd cost his team minimal cards while remaining 100% neutral.  Right now, VRT is costing his team 26 cards, which is two more than is necessary.  It doesn't seem like much, but vrt's cost to worth ratio is upside down.  The most a player should ever cost a team is 24.  Any more than that, and the player is being purposely expensive and detrimental to their team.

I'm not saying vrt's stalwart neutrality is a bad thing, I just think that were I in his position, I'd stop watching elements throw their cards away and pick a general to fight with.

[Scaredgirl]

vrt, by creating this auction, is forcing whatever team he's on to pay the maximum cost.  If he instead joined the first team that bid the buy-out price, he'd cost his team minimal cards while remaining 100% neutral.  Right now, VRT is costing his team 26 cards, which is two more than is necessary.  It doesn't seem like much, but vrt's cost to worth ratio is upside down.  The most a player should ever cost a team is 24.  Any more than that, and the player is being purposely expensive and detrimental to their team.

This is 100% correct.

Being a slave and just waiting for the biggest possible bid is bad for the team that will ultimately win you. Vrt could have chosen any of these teams currently bidding on him, simply asked them to bid 24, and instantly accepted that bid. Instead we now have this "how high will it go" mini-game that serves no real purpose.

Good for the ego, bad for the team.

[Dragoon1140]

It isn't vrt's fault that generals are bidding this high on him.  I bet the reason that he chose to be a slave instead of a loyalist is like he has said multiple times:  he's neutral, not because he has some supposed ego that wants to see his price drive up.

Gravity didn't have to make a 26-card bid, but chose to anyway.  It shouldn't be blamed on vrt if GirlsGeneration wants to sacrifice a deck to have one player.

[Scaredgirl]

It isn't vrt's fault that generals are bidding this high on him.  I bet the reason that he chose to be a slave instead of a loyalist is like he has said multiple times:  he's neutral, not because he has some supposed ego that wants to see his price drive up.

Gravity didn't have to make a 26-card bid, but chose to anyway.  It shouldn't be blamed on vrt if GirlsGeneration wants to sacrifice a deck to have one player.

The point is that using this "neutral" method, vrt is putting himself (and his future team) at a disadvantage because it's basically the team money that pays for him.

The goal of every smart player should be: how to get in a team you want with the smallest possible price. Winners of this auction are not the players who get bid on the most, winners are the veteran players who get in to their favorite team for only 1 card.

If we want to find whose "fault" this situation is, I would say that it's..

30% of vrt making himself expensive by being neutral
30% of Generals paying too much
40% of event rules that give high value neutral players a disadvantage

That being said, I'm interested to see how this all plays out, and I'm especially interested in seeing how high the price goes.

[Sir Valimont]

30% of vrt making himself expensive by being neutral
30% of Generals paying too much
40% of event rules that give high value neutral players a disadvantage

WOW.

No offense to any of you, but I mean, I don't know what else to say. This is just debilitatingly stupid.

vrt is absolutely not to blame, not even 1%. He is NEUTRAL so he doesn't want to be on one team more than another. It is the generals' responsibility to figure out how much to pay for him. What kind of UTTER NONSENSE mentality blames vrt for not choosing one team over another? If it was accepted that someone should HAVE to play for a team just because they bid 24 cards, then the rule should be that 24 cards automatically wins a player. And then it's no longer an auction -- it's a sale. Everything costs 24 but you can try to offer the shopkeeper less.

vrt is not "making himself expensive." Generals bidding on him are making him expensive. If someone bids higher than someone else, it's not because anyone forced him to. If someone wins vrt for 60 cards, it's because that general bid 60 cards. The WHOLE POINT of an auction is that you have to figure out how much it is worth paying for someone ... not that you have to complain after buying something about the auction process because you were INEPT and bid something you couldn't afford.

What adds insult to injury is that vrt is even INCENTIVIZED to remain neutral, since he is not a jerk and SHOULDN'T take sides. Not only is that the point of being a slave as opposed to a mercenary/loyalist, but also there is a PRIZE for being the highest-bid-on player.

My goodness, applying this utterly juvenile logic in real life ... whether in an auction or any other context ... is just so nonsensical and counter-productive that I'm glad for everyone's sake this is just a game. -edited this inappropriate comment - Sir V

[MrBlonde]

In VRT's defense he didn't even get a chance to accept my bid for 24. GG overbid me within 5 minutes. So unless VRT was paying attention during those 5 minutes or so he couldn't have accepted the lower bid.

So basically in the end he WILL end up for the minimum amount of cards he could have garnered.

ETA - i just checked and it took 8 minutes for GG.