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Re: Player Auction https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=8230.msg98755#msg98755
« Reply #168 on: June 22, 2010, 08:08:11 pm »
taking upped cards seams to make the war unfair i mean so you have a noob with no ups verses a vet who has fully upped deck or even partialy personal if you need upped cards to be  good than your not good imo and the chance of the noob losing is now greatly increased cause towers < pillars another reason what of the masters then whats the point in letting them just you 6 vs the vets and other people using a full deck of upped cards
Life is not fair. Neither is War. OFC, if all could use upped cards, Masters would also be allowed to sue them...But we might need to give something special to Masters, 'cause they're cooler... ::)
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Re: Player Auction https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=8230.msg98830#msg98830
« Reply #169 on: June 22, 2010, 09:14:58 pm »
taking upped cards seams to make the war unfair i mean so you have a noob with no ups verses a vet who has fully upped deck or even partialy personal if you need upped cards to be  good than your not good imo and the chance of the noob losing is now greatly increased cause towers < pillars another reason what of the masters then whats the point in letting them just you 6 vs the vets and other people using a full deck of upped cards
Life is not fair. Neither is War. OFC, if all could use upped cards, Masters would also be allowed to sue them...But we might need to give something special to Masters, 'cause they're cooler... ::)
I agree with wassd13. Allowing upped cards would be a huge mistake, and one step towards making this event a "veteran gamer" event, shutting out all the newbies.

If newbies with unupped decks are forced to fight veterans with upped decks, those newbies would disappear very fast. Losing itself is bad enough, but losing to an opponent who has a clear card advantage is even worse. If a newbie had a better strategy and played like a master, he could still lose because he had worse cards to begin with. And that is the point where is stops being fun.

Losing against a veteran is not that bad if the newbie feels the fight was fair.

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Re: Player Auction https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=8230.msg99058#msg99058
« Reply #170 on: June 23, 2010, 04:37:32 am »
taking upped cards seams to make the war unfair i mean so you have a noob with no ups verses a vet who has fully upped deck or even partialy personal if you need upped cards to be  good than your not good imo and the chance of the noob losing is now greatly increased cause towers < pillars another reason what of the masters then whats the point in letting them just you 6 vs the vets and other people using a full deck of upped cards
Life is not fair. Neither is War. OFC, if all could use upped cards, Masters would also be allowed to sue them...But we might need to give something special to Masters, 'cause they're cooler... ::)
I agree with wassd13. Allowing upped cards would be a huge mistake, and one step towards making this event a "veteran gamer" event, shutting out all the newbies.

If newbies with unupped decks are forced to fight veterans with upped decks, those newbies would disappear very fast. Losing itself is bad enough, but losing to an opponent who has a clear card advantage is even worse. If a newbie had a better strategy and played like a master, he could still lose because he had worse cards to begin with. And that is the point where is stops being fun.

Losing against a veteran is not that bad if the newbie feels the fight was fair.
thank you finaly someone agrees with me

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Re: Player Auction https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=8230.msg99170#msg99170
« Reply #171 on: June 23, 2010, 11:18:49 am »
On the other hand, the question may be asked what upped cards are supposed to be good for in the long run if the most fun and complex community events aren't involving them.
Tourneys are mostly unupped nowadays, war is unupped ... just to farm gods better and smack the crap outa everyone in pvp2 with a ton of deck variations when there is a WAR that could be played ...  hmm.

"Strengthening upped cards as held by actual player accounts" doesn't have to mean that everything can just be played upped no matter what.
There is plenty of room for variations and more carefully adjusted solutions. A good starting question would be:
Why are only the masters permitted to use (few) upped cards?

I kind of liked (my own  :-[) idea of offering ones services in the slave market with only a very limited and defined set of upped cards.
That would be a solution that enables even "noobs" to get into the game pretty fast since farming a set of say 20 cards can be done by anyone in a reasonable time ... even more fun for the "noob" to bring those fresh and well trained reinforcements to the war!!!


Also, may I be so blunt to ask the following question concerning "player auction" again? :

Any chance that there will be something like "temporary mercenaries"/"ronin" ... ?

Personally, I would really love to partake in the next war but I fear that as usual I won't have the time to really commit to it in such a longterm way with all the vault building, strategizing, playing several matches over a looong time period etc.

It would really be cool to have a feature that makes sense in the grand game design and still permits more "casual" gamers to make an appearance, be it only for that one battle ...

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Re: Player Auction https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=8230.msg99299#msg99299
« Reply #172 on: June 23, 2010, 04:00:41 pm »
well maybe there could be a smaller war #3 for only like 32 people or something (like world cup system tournement lol) in which ONLY upgraded cards are used... thoughts SG?
But i think it would not be teams of elements but rather a FFA of w/e decks/mark you want

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Re: Player Auction https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=8230.msg99870#msg99870
« Reply #173 on: June 24, 2010, 08:47:22 am »

well maybe there could be a smaller war #3 for only like 32 people or something (like world cup system tournement lol) in which ONLY upgraded cards are used... thoughts SG?
But i think it would not be teams of elements but rather a FFA of w/e decks/mark you want
Sounds basically like a standard 32 player upped tourney that has nothing in common with war ... ?  8)

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Re: Player Auction https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=8230.msg100206#msg100206
« Reply #174 on: June 24, 2010, 06:35:43 pm »
i cant wait

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Re: Player Auction https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=8230.msg100277#msg100277
« Reply #175 on: June 24, 2010, 08:02:08 pm »
Of course people wouldn't be able to use as many upped cards as they pleased. Being able to take four upped cards in a match is hardly an advantage either, but it's at least a little incentive to bid on a person in a higher auction category.

So what if a person in the top auction category wasn't bid on by any three elements they chose? What team would they wind up on?

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Re: Player Auction https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=8230.msg100314#msg100314
« Reply #176 on: June 24, 2010, 08:48:49 pm »
So what if a person in the top auction category wasn't bid on by any three elements they chose? What team would they wind up on?
They wouldnt.
If their choice was to fight only for one of 3 elements, and those elements dont want them, they dont play for any element. After all, they willingly decided to NOT play for anyone else BUT those 3 elements.

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Re: Player Auction https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=8230.msg100327#msg100327
« Reply #177 on: June 24, 2010, 09:04:54 pm »
Ah, I thought the auction started after sign ups, so everyone was guaranteed a team.

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Re: Player Auction https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=8230.msg106590#msg106590
« Reply #178 on: July 02, 2010, 10:07:37 pm »
When do sign-ups begin? If im not here, someone sign me up please. Internet will be disconnected until monday (EST, USA East Coast) evening.

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Re: Player Auction https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=8230.msg106599#msg106599
« Reply #179 on: July 02, 2010, 10:18:01 pm »
When do sign-ups begin? If im not here, someone sign me up please. Internet will be disconnected until monday (EST, USA East Coast) evening.

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