Petition: Ban SoFree

[iancudorinmarian]

Instead of simply banning SoFr, or any set of cards, why not develop a better system to restrict SoFr, SoPa, and then a handful of other cards (power cards) that are more stifling to the meta of War than any of the other 10 shards?

Some showerthoughts, some very old and some brand new: Limit these power cards (and/or all shards), using boosts or event cards to create exceptions. Trade upgrades or relics for power cards (and/or all shards). After vaultbuilding, give teams that put less power cards (and/or all shards) in their vault some form of bonus.

Surely, sop doesn't need restriction in the same way. It's a strong card but is countered far more easily than sofree, is usable by all elements effectively and makes an incomplete weak element viable and much more rounded.

Stop comparing it to SoFr just to make it sound balanced, because it isn't.

[Zawadx]

I'm honestly surprised WMs haven't stepped in yet.

I was hoping to see more discussion into possible solutions for this problem, but people giving out deck codes is not acceptable in the middle of a war. I will lock this thread for now until I feel further discussion is merited.

If you have any ideas/decks which you feel might fit Aether's bill of 50% aether deck to defeat all sofree versions, feel free to send them to me. And if you wish to help out by testing, contact me as well. I have received a few promising ideas, will look into just how effective they are soon. But rest assured, no direct ban or usage restriction on Sofree will be added to the fundamental rules this war.

The reason I didn't outright ban sofree was that one war is a small sample size and another try with different vaults might fix this organically. In fact I considered all the complaints levied against SoFree and raised it's price extremely steeply as a nerf to air (the flaw there will be fixed shortly). Do note that Sofree has not been banned by this super ec (SoP has multiple times), which is a testament to the very limited domain of this problem. Any solutions will have to follow this.

[Zawadx]

Now that war is over, unlocking this.

[Manuel]

if we replay this war 100 times will be something like
95 wins for air
4 wins for water
1 for life

if u ban sofree u are forced to ban sopa, if u ban ONLY sofree the next year someone will open a thread "petition: ban sopa" ; i think banning a card isn't fair at all, specially because air is strong even without it, water is nerfed a lot more without it

limit the copies/deck of these cards can be a start, IF THE NEXT WAR will be with 4 players/team

[JonathanCrazyJ]

I honestly don't think that will ever be the case manuel. every element has a counter to SoP even in late game. Life did.
Salt levels are high against SoP only when it counters the opponent, salt levels against Sofree start before a game has been played. I think the fact that air are a strong, competitive element without sofree plays a part in this too.

[TribalTrouble]

Would just increasing the vault cost of it be enough to remedy things?

[CactusKing]

Would just increasing the vault cost of it be enough to remedy things?

That's what was done, and it didn't really solve anything

[Vangelios]

Would just increasing the vault cost of it be enough to remedy things?

That's what was done, and it didn't really solve anything

Solved a bit, played sofree max 1 time by round instead 2 sofree decks.
but serious just increase the price to 600 points

[iancudorinmarian]

As I've written in the S&F topic, just adjust upgrades on some
 cards. At this point, you're all blinded by SoFr that you're ignoring the other problem cards. Increasing the price until it's literally impossible to buy is no better than outright banning it.

And someone please remind JCJ that if a card (SoP) has a few counters doesn't mean it's balanced. (Example: dim shield)

I don't get why you all think that market has to solve all the problems. "Just make it cost 1000". Let's just make all cards cost 1000 and have a war with 60 pillar stalls.

PS: Yeah, I've been on the "ban SoFr" train before, but I've actually changed my mind once I've managed to find a better solution.

*unsigns petition*

[Vangelios]

 We are blinded with sofree because because it's a card to worry about
(just team was able  beat sofree deck and even so we almost lose)

 I don't like the idea of banning a card, we can create rules to limit some cards
 The market you don't understant? well, was creted to reduce imbalance between strong and weak elements and worked because won war
off course with shards added, more upgraded and roles also helps a lot too, however a good team worth more than a lot of rules...