Petition: Ban SoFree

[worldwideweb3]

Trying to help an element in the middle of the war is against the spirit of the event, so please stop.

[deuce22]

As someone with an outside perspective that has never participated in War, I agree that Sofree seems oddly designed with the aspect of it being instant damage with a bonus and a protective aspect to it as well. As far as banning it, I firmly believe you should've brought up a topic like that months ago. Not now that we're in the middle of War. This is far too complicated of a topic for it to be handled properly without some serious time and thought put into the answer.

I do think some Shards have a place in War. It should not be an all -or- nothing answer that is given. As far as which Shards have their place, I would trust Warmasters judgment on which are more akin to the power level and impact of pre-existing cards within the War format rather than my own thoughts on the matter.

I made a huge stink about it last war. Again mentioned to WMs. They felt that making it crazy expensive fixes the problem, and I said multiple times in the market prices thread that it doesn’t. Oh look, I was right.

[Aves]

For the record, I don't agree that a 50% aether deck has no possible theoretical options against a Mono SoFree. I would love to consider exploring this idea more in depth. But with that said, going further into this topic is literally Team Aether asking for and receiving help in testing decks, which I firmly believe is against the rules of War. Yes, vaultbuilding is over, but if you can't see how this entire topic is a tad strange then I don't know what to say to you. I'm honestly surprised WMs haven't stepped in yet.

[Vangelios]

1 - Ok is hard i need to admit it, damselfs are quanta thats does damage  are resistent to EQ and CC, the deck is very versatile metagame with aside cards like Wings, Fog, OE, SW, SBZ and SW have a rush scary, even if you have one stall with colective (RoF, Pandemoniuns and Thunderstorms) damage you will lose
2- However ban Sofree for this war to me is unfair because the rules and deck building are done, was already done ( I spoke this already and will repeat how many necessary)
3- Ban just ban sofree from the war I'm not favorable, if ban sofree ban all shards as well, but is very funy do it restrict, for example instead buy shards in the marketing place, do the relics like a token thats can be used like extra upgraded cards or for add shards in the deck
4- Marketing place is good, since it  helps weak elements, in the case of light I think that miracles and sancs shold be more cheaper for sure, I like of free pillars too.

Aves you are correct even because a lot of good aether decks will be revelated if dont works well vs air can be VERY usefull against another teams

Lets try speak about shards after the war

[TheonlyrealBeef]

For the record, I think banning SoFree mid war is about as tasteful as banning half Aethers decks in the first three rounds *cough* super EC *cough*. We are not actually expecting help with deckbuilding. We ask for a counter with the conviction that there is none. So any statement of having a counter that is not backed up by solid evidence will be dismissed as false by default.

[Vangelios]

For the record, I think banning SoFree mid war is about as tasteful as banning half Aethers decks in the first three rounds *cough* super EC *cough*. We are not actually expecting help with deckbuilding. We ask for a counter with the conviction that there is none. So any statement of having a counter that is not backed up by solid evidence will be dismissed as false by default.

yours last deck was one type of counter just put quint instead PU one more druidic and one more FW

[iancudorinmarian]

3- Ban just ban sofree from the war I'm not favorable, if ban sofree ban all shards as well, but is very funy do it restrict, for example instead buy shards in the marketing place, do the relics like a token thats can be used like extra upgraded cards or for add shards in the deck

I always find this pretty silly. That's like banning all weapons because Vagger and Discord are OP.

[CactusKing]

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Honestly, if Sofree were limited to say 3 per deck (maybe 4?), it would be beatable from an aether perspective, but I haven't tested this. Hell, even if sofree was actually banned, aether would still struggle against air because the element counters us in so many different ways. But if I can predict the deck that my opponent brings, I should be able to find a way to beat it. Whether I bring those cards to war or still have them in my vault is my own problem, and a necessary part of war.

I think this probably the best idea so far, but perhaps instead of limiting the number per deck, the number or SoFre per round could be restricted? This could be extended to all shards if need be (say, max 6 in-element shards per round across all of a team's decks). The obvious drawback to this is that if a team plays their first match in the round with a shard deck then their later opponents know for certain that deck won't be played against them, but I see the impact of this as minimal because the opponent can't change their deck once battles start (bar the 3 cards in a sideboard).
Banning it for this war seems unfair to air, but next war I would be happy to see the best shards a little more restricted.

[Vangelios]

3- Ban just ban sofree from the war I'm not favorable, if ban sofree ban all shards as well, but is very funy do it restrict, for example instead buy shards in the marketing place, do the relics like a token thats can be used like extra upgraded cards or for add shards in the deck

I always find this pretty silly. That's like banning all weapons because Vagger and Discord are OP.

I can understand your point, but shards always does one drama of the hell here, and so the matches have one better  surprise factor, the teams need choose more wisly how to use you relics, and don't will be necessarary buy shards  in the market.

[ddevans96]

Instead of simply banning SoFr, or any set of cards, why not develop a better system to restrict SoFr, SoPa, and then a handful of other cards (power cards) that are more stifling to the meta of War than any of the other 10 shards?

Some showerthoughts, some very old and some brand new: Limit these power cards (and/or all shards), using boosts or event cards to create exceptions. Trade upgrades or relics for power cards (and/or all shards). After vaultbuilding, give teams that put less power cards (and/or all shards) in their vault some form of bonus.

[JonathanCrazyJ]

Instead of simply banning SoFr, or any set of cards, why not develop a better system to restrict SoFr, SoPa, and then a handful of other cards (power cards) that are more stifling to the meta of War than any of the other 10 shards?

Some showerthoughts, some very old and some brand new: Limit these power cards (and/or all shards), using boosts or event cards to create exceptions. Trade upgrades or relics for power cards (and/or all shards). After vaultbuilding, give teams that put less power cards (and/or all shards) in their vault some form of bonus.

Surely, sop doesn't need restriction in the same way. It's a strong card but is countered far more easily than sofree, is usable by all elements effectively and makes an incomplete weak element viable and much more rounded.

[worldwideweb3]

Instead of simply banning SoFr, or any set of cards, why not develop a better system to restrict SoFr, SoPa, and then a handful of other cards (power cards) that are more stifling to the meta of War than any of the other 10 shards?

Some showerthoughts, some very old and some brand new: Limit these power cards (and/or all shards), using boosts or event cards to create exceptions. Trade upgrades or relics for power cards (and/or all shards). After vaultbuilding, give teams that put less power cards (and/or all shards) in their vault some form of bonus.

Surely, sop doesn't need restriction in the same way. It's a strong card but is countered far more easily than sofree, is usable by all elements effectively and makes an incomplete weak element viable and much more rounded.

You only really see aether compaining about sofree. For some elements, its super easy to counter sofree than sopa.